Was just cleaning QT - Royal Gramma Jumped out. Not Looking good...

moneymm · 02/03/2015, 11:37 AM

I had the screen off and was cleaning the algae off the walls and it jumped out behind the cabinet. i went as fast as i could, but i had to move the cabinet and sump tank out of the way, and it was probably like 45 seconds before i finally picked him up and got him back in, breathing heavily, looks like it was beat up. he always hides, but he is just laying on the bottom of the tank in the front breathing heavy.

anything i can do at this point?

it fell about 4 and half feet and was flopping around, between that and no water for 45 seconds i dont know what is worse.

Odysi · 02/03/2015, 11:40 AM

Not much wait it out. I have had fish jump and survive so there is a chance.

moneymm · 02/03/2015, 11:49 AM

was it my fault? i mean what am i doing wrong here?

R6_boogieman · 02/03/2015, 11:51 AM

i never had a fish jump out but my question is why would they ? would it have anything to do with ph?

moneymm · 02/03/2015, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by R6_boogieman

i never had a fish jump out but my question is why would they ? would it have anything to do with ph?

checking all my parameters now, i took a cup of water out to test everything before i started cleaning it.

GilliganReef · 02/03/2015, 11:57 AM

He didn’t by chance see the toilet thinking freedom?

R6_boogieman · 02/03/2015, 12:06 PM

do you use buffer on you tank moneymm ?

moneymm · 02/03/2015, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by R6_boogieman

do you use buffer on you tank moneymm ?

whats a buffer?

moneymm · 02/03/2015, 12:09 PM

now he looks like he is either trying to swim or convolsing. this is awful.

R6_boogieman · 02/03/2015, 12:15 PM

here is a quick description of marine buffer, i highly recomend you using some. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...fm?pcatid=4168

try not to look at the fish, i know it sounds cruel but let it take its coarse you cant do much about it now. it either lives or it doesnt, time will tell.

thedasher · 02/03/2015, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by R6_boogieman

i never had a fish jump out but my question is why would they ? would it have anything to do with ph?

Well they actually jump when they feel threatened because in the ocean if they are about to become food they just dart towards the surface

R6_boogieman · 02/03/2015, 12:21 PM

ahhhh ok that makes sense , but then i guess in this case somebody has been picking on it huh ?

rlm2005 · 02/03/2015, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thedasher

Well they actually jump when they feel threatened because in the ocean if they are about to become food they just dart towards the surface

This. The OP was cleaning the tank and spooked the fish, no real mystery here.

moneymm · 02/03/2015, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by R6_boogieman

ahhhh ok that makes sense , but then i guess in this case somebody has been picking on it huh ?

he is in QT with a tank raised pj cardinal, i think he just got frigtened. he darts into his pvc everytime someone comes in the room.

fingers crossed, he swam his way into his pvc just now,

Tin Man · 02/03/2015, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by moneymm

he is in QT with a tank raised pj cardinal, i think he just got frigtened. he darts into his pvc everytime someone comes in the room.

fingers crossed, he swam his way into his pvc just now,

go do something else that will take your mind off him. come back much later and check.

IdahoCindy · 02/03/2015, 12:50 PM

Don't feel bad. I was trying to catch a fish to put in a different tank yesterday. The fish I was trying to catch darted directly into the mouth of the carpet anemone. SNAP! My lower lip was hanging out...bummer.

gone fishin · 02/03/2015, 12:53 PM

I have had them jump while doing maintenance. Any fish can and will jump.

Sk8r · 02/03/2015, 03:40 PM

RGs are naturally spooky. Laying the anti-jump screen over the area of the qt top you are not cleaning helps some. Jumping is a life-saving behavior in the ocean. Not so much in our tanks. Also maintain a careful watch on your fishes when you are working. I've seen them take awful headers and survive, but mostly let it alone, don't try to feed it til tomorrow, let it try to recuperate if it can.

Mishri · 02/03/2015, 05:45 PM

I've had many fish jump over the years. My blue lined jawfish was the worst(had to seal that tank up tight). Also had bala sharks(freshwater) jump out multiple times. Only time I've ever lost a fish from going overboard was when I didn't notice it and they dry out. But they were otherwise healthy/established when they jumped. Trying to pickup an 7" bala shark that is flopping around feet a time is quite the exciting experience - plus his fins dig into you.. the jawfish was a piece of cake to return, although my cat did bat him around a bit first once he survived.. until roommate left the lid open and I was gone on a company trip... he didn't survive that.

Coelli · 02/03/2015, 06:04 PM

When I was transferring livestock recently from my old tank to new, my royal gramma was hiding in a different rock than he usually does. He jumped out of the rock as I was lifting it into the new tank, standing on a stepstool - he fell almost 5 feet onto a tile floor, flopped a couple of times, and lay there gasping. I had to get down, put the rock aside, and strip off my shoulder-length glove before I could pick him up and throw him into the water. He immediately swam into some rocks and I was so worried I'd killed him; but he was out by the next morning and has been fine ever since. I hope yours is okay too!!

moneymm · 02/03/2015, 07:05 PM

im happy to report he is doing well. I will def keep a close eye on him, but he was out and about, swimming around, he even ate like normal.

I am shocked.. it wasnt looking good at all.

i saw him flash across the tank and i thought out of the tank, but i wasnt sure. I could not find him for 15 seconds in our out of the tank, then i spotted him on the floor behind the cabinet, he slipped out of my hands when i first grabbed him, then he dissapeared out of sight, I tried using a net, but i think i was squishing him against the cabinet, so i was trying to find him blindly feeling around with my hand. it was soo far out of reach, and i had the tank corner digging into my arm (which i have a nice black and blue from), eventually found him and grapped him by the tail and got him in.

if he does make a full recovery, i will be very fortunate.

Marchillo · 02/03/2015, 07:30 PM

Wow great effort to save him. You deserve for it to work out. Best of luck with him.

Coelli · 02/04/2015, 01:36 AM

Please keep us posted.

My RG is awesome, a really great fish so I hope your guy recovers well!

danielmitchell · 02/04/2015, 04:03 AM

its so nerve racking trying to help fish, every second that passes u think its all over. i remember when i had a sea snail get stuck in a powerhead, i had to cut him in half to get him out

was very hard on my soul haha

Spyderturbo007 · 02/04/2015, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by moneymm

im happy to report he is doing well. I will def keep a close eye on him, but he was out and about, swimming around, he even ate like normal.

I love fish stories with happy endings!

02/03/2015, 11:37 AM	#1
moneymm Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 548	Was just cleaning QT - Royal Gramma Jumped out. Not Looking good... I had the screen off and was cleaning the algae off the walls and it jumped out behind the cabinet. i went as fast as i could, but i had to move the cabinet and sump tank out of the way, and it was probably like 45 seconds before i finally picked him up and got him back in, breathing heavily, looks like it was beat up. he always hides, but he is just laying on the bottom of the tank in the front breathing heavy. anything i can do at this point? it fell about 4 and half feet and was flopping around, between that and no water for 45 seconds i dont know what is worse. __________________ 45 Gallon Bow DT - Lifereef Berlin Sump/Skimmer - 36" ATI Dimmable Sunpower 4 x 39W Phantom Clown, Ocellaris Cown, 10 Snails, 4 Hermit Crabs

02/03/2015, 11:49 AM	#3
moneymm Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 548	was it my fault? i mean what am i doing wrong here? __________________ 45 Gallon Bow DT - Lifereef Berlin Sump/Skimmer - 36" ATI Dimmable Sunpower 4 x 39W Phantom Clown, Ocellaris Cown, 10 Snails, 4 Hermit Crabs

02/03/2015, 12:09 PM	#9
moneymm Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 548	now he looks like he is either trying to swim or convolsing. this is awful. __________________ 45 Gallon Bow DT - Lifereef Berlin Sump/Skimmer - 36" ATI Dimmable Sunpower 4 x 39W Phantom Clown, Ocellaris Cown, 10 Snails, 4 Hermit Crabs

02/03/2015, 12:53 PM	#17
gone fishin Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wyocena Wi Posts: 6,936	I have had them jump while doing maintenance. Any fish can and will jump. __________________ Tony Current Tank Info: 180gal DT, BM NAC77 skimmer,3 Maxspect razors, Maxspect Gyre 150, 30g QT

02/03/2015, 03:40 PM	#18
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	RGs are naturally spooky. Laying the anti-jump screen over the area of the qt top you are not cleaning helps some. Jumping is a life-saving behavior in the ocean. Not so much in our tanks. Also maintain a careful watch on your fishes when you are working. I've seen them take awful headers and survive, but mostly let it alone, don't try to feed it til tomorrow, let it try to recuperate if it can. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

02/03/2015, 11:40 AM	#2
Odysi Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 401	Not much wait it out. I have had fish jump and survive so there is a chance.

02/03/2015, 11:51 AM	#4
R6_boogieman Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Dallas Tx Posts: 82	i never had a fish jump out but my question is why would they ? would it have anything to do with ph?

02/03/2015, 11:57 AM	#6
GilliganReef Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 379	He didn’t by chance see the toilet thinking freedom?

02/03/2015, 12:06 PM	#7
R6_boogieman Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Dallas Tx Posts: 82	do you use buffer on you tank moneymm ?

02/03/2015, 12:15 PM	#10
R6_boogieman Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Dallas Tx Posts: 82	here is a quick description of marine buffer, i highly recomend you using some. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...fm?pcatid=4168 try not to look at the fish, i know it sounds cruel but let it take its coarse you cant do much about it now. it either lives or it doesnt, time will tell.

02/03/2015, 12:21 PM	#12
R6_boogieman Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Dallas Tx Posts: 82	ahhhh ok that makes sense , but then i guess in this case somebody has been picking on it huh ?

02/03/2015, 12:50 PM	#16
IdahoCindy Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Sun Valley Idaho Posts: 329	Don't feel bad. I was trying to catch a fish to put in a different tank yesterday. The fish I was trying to catch darted directly into the mouth of the carpet anemone. SNAP! My lower lip was hanging out...bummer.

02/03/2015, 05:45 PM	#19
Mishri Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Great Falls, MT Posts: 1,404	I've had many fish jump over the years. My blue lined jawfish was the worst(had to seal that tank up tight). Also had bala sharks(freshwater) jump out multiple times. Only time I've ever lost a fish from going overboard was when I didn't notice it and they dry out. But they were otherwise healthy/established when they jumped. Trying to pickup an 7" bala shark that is flopping around feet a time is quite the exciting experience - plus his fins dig into you.. the jawfish was a piece of cake to return, although my cat did bat him around a bit first once he survived.. until roommate left the lid open and I was gone on a company trip... he didn't survive that.

02/03/2015, 06:04 PM	#20
Coelli Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Tujunga, CA Posts: 1,443	When I was transferring livestock recently from my old tank to new, my royal gramma was hiding in a different rock than he usually does. He jumped out of the rock as I was lifting it into the new tank, standing on a stepstool - he fell almost 5 feet onto a tile floor, flopped a couple of times, and lay there gasping. I had to get down, put the rock aside, and strip off my shoulder-length glove before I could pick him up and throw him into the water. He immediately swam into some rocks and I was so worried I'd killed him; but he was out by the next morning and has been fine ever since. I hope yours is okay too!!

02/03/2015, 07:05 PM	#21
moneymm Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 548	im happy to report he is doing well. I will def keep a close eye on him, but he was out and about, swimming around, he even ate like normal. I am shocked.. it wasnt looking good at all. i saw him flash across the tank and i thought out of the tank, but i wasnt sure. I could not find him for 15 seconds in our out of the tank, then i spotted him on the floor behind the cabinet, he slipped out of my hands when i first grabbed him, then he dissapeared out of sight, I tried using a net, but i think i was squishing him against the cabinet, so i was trying to find him blindly feeling around with my hand. it was soo far out of reach, and i had the tank corner digging into my arm (which i have a nice black and blue from), eventually found him and grapped him by the tail and got him in. if he does make a full recovery, i will be very fortunate. __________________ 45 Gallon Bow DT - Lifereef Berlin Sump/Skimmer - 36" ATI Dimmable Sunpower 4 x 39W Phantom Clown, Ocellaris Cown, 10 Snails, 4 Hermit Crabs

02/03/2015, 07:30 PM	#22
Marchillo Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,178	Wow great effort to save him. You deserve for it to work out. Best of luck with him.

02/04/2015, 01:36 AM	#23
Coelli Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Tujunga, CA Posts: 1,443	Please keep us posted. My RG is awesome, a really great fish so I hope your guy recovers well!

02/04/2015, 04:03 AM	#24
danielmitchell Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: QLD, Gold Coast, Australia Posts: 38	its so nerve racking trying to help fish, every second that passes u think its all over. i remember when i had a sea snail get stuck in a powerhead, i had to cut him in half to get him out was very hard on my soul haha __________________ "Nowadays people know the price of everything and the value of nothing"