Help me

[fuy]

So on Wednesday my cycle was done
Next day when when to buy fish
I got one yellow tang and one clown fish
So next day when home at night
I go check on the fish and i saw the clown fish dead
I check my water and everything was one point
I dont know what kill it

[rt67ghy]

You need to post all your parameters. Also how do you know the cycling was done? How long did you cycle the tank?

[Isaacs55]

More info...tank size
Parameters
SG
Temp
Amonia
Nitrite
Nitrate
Phosphates
CA
ALL
MAG
PH

also how long have you had the tank up before you went to buy your fish? Is your tang still alive?

[fuy]

Originally Posted by Isaacs55

More info...tank size
Parameters
SG
Temp
Amonia
Nitrite
Nitrate
Phosphates
CA
ALL
MAG
PH

also how long have you had the tank up before you went to buy your fish? Is your tang still alive?

SG
Temp/80
Ammonia/0
Nitrite /0
Nitrate
Phosphates /10
(CA
ALL
MAG) i dont have the test kit for those
PH-8.0

My yellow tang still alive my tank was running for about 3 and half weeks

[fuy]

Sg/ 1.023

[rt67ghy]

Do you mean PO4 at 0.10 ppm or 10 ppm?

[Isaacs55]

Did you feed your tank anything while you cycled it? What's your nitrates? If you have 0 nitrates you definitely don't have your tank cycled what so ever. You have to have an Amonia spike to 2ppm and go back to 0 and then nitrites spike to at least 2ppm and back to 0 as well. Once that has successfully happened you should have 10+ nitrates. And a diatom bloom. So my guess is your tank is not cycled. Don't freak out though cuz it happens to alot of people who do not research or was never told the correct way to cycle. A proper cycle should be at least 2 months minimum unless you speed up the process..

Now since it's already Done and I'm assuming it's too late to take back a fish at this hour so here's what you should do.

Take out the clown fish that did not make it if you have done that already...
Do a water 10-20 percent water change...here's the catch though...if you keep your tang in there (which I advise against and should be return back to your lfs when the time permits it) then your going to have to keep doing at least 2 water changes a day until your tank is cycled. ..
Now the other option, which I also advise against but it will help you out, is to go buy Bio Spira and dump the entire bottle into your tank as well as stability if you can get it. This will speed up your cycle process...also I suggest to buy a bottle of seachem prime. Use this as soon as your tank has a little bit of Amonia in it. It will turn the Amonia into something tolerable for your fish but still be able to produce nitrifying bacteria at the same time. So please go do this now if you can

[fuy]

Not phosphate my nitrate is 10ppm

[fuy]

Originally Posted by Isaacs55

More info...tank size
Parameters
SG
Temp
Amonia
Nitrite
Nitrate
Phosphates
CA
ALL
MAG
PH

also how long have you had the tank up before you went to buy your fish? Is your tang still alive?

Originally Posted by Isaacs55

Did you feed your tank anything while you cycled it? What's your nitrates? If you have 0 nitrates you definitely don't have your tank cycled what so ever. You have to have an Amonia spike to 2ppm and go back to 0 and then nitrites spike to at least 2ppm and back to 0 as well. Once that has successfully happened you should have 10+ nitrates. And a diatom bloom. So my guess is your tank is not cycled. Don't freak out though cuz it happens to alot of people who do not research or was never told the correct way to cycle. A proper cycle should be at least 2 months minimum unless you speed up the process..

Now since it's already Done and I'm assuming it's too late to take back a fish at this hour so here's what you should do.

Take out the clown fish that did not make it if you have done that already...
Do a water 10-20 percent water change...here's the catch though...if you keep your tang in there (which I advise against and should be return back to your lfs when the time permits it) then your going to have to keep doing at least 2 water changes a day until your tank is cycled. ..
Now the other option, which I also advise against but it will help you out, is to go buy Bio Spira and dump the entire bottle into your tank as well as stability if you can get it. This will speed up your cycle process...also I suggest to buy a bottle of seachem prime. Use this as soon as your tank has a little bit of Amonia in it. It will turn the Amonia into something tolerable for your fish but still be able to produce nitrifying bacteria at the same time. So please go do this now if you can

SG-1.023
Temp-80
Ammonia-0ppm
Nitrite -0ppm
Nitrate10ppm

The rest i dont have the test kit

[Isaacs55]

If your tank is cycled, which I hope it is for your fish sake, then maybe your clown had a parasite...and was on his last leg so to speak...what was he doing the last time you saw him?

[Dkuhlmann]

The fish more than likely died because your tank wasn't ready for fish yet. Let me explain.

Once the nitrogen cycle has completed which is introduce ammonia source 2ppm, wait until the nitrites start to rise, you will have both ammonia and nitrites at this point and the nitrates will begin to rise. At some point the ammonia will go to 0 yet you will still have nitrites and nitrates both. When the nitrites go to 0 and ammonia is 0 you will have nitrates and technically your cycle is complete and you maintain a sg of 1.025 to 1.026 The tank isn't ready to add fish at this point.

Next what needs to happen is to add additional ammonia to see if the nitrifying bacteria can process it to 0 ammonia in a 24 hr period. Either add a large dead shrimp or pure ammonia to reach 2ppm, also continue to ghost feed your tank as if it did have fish. This food and ammonia feeds the bacteria that are needed to process the bioload (ammonia) your fish will produce when they process their food through their system. Taking a poop. Expelling waste.

At this time you've been maintaining the sg of the water, running your lights, ghost feeding as if you had fish and maintaining a constant temp you should be starting to see a significant algae growth If so Great, it's time to add your clean up crew CUC. The cuc will start keeping the tank clean and also eat much of that ghost feeding that you are still doing. But what I suggest at the point right before you add the cuc is to bring the ammonia up to 2ppm again and be certain that is processed to 0 in a 24 hr period prior to adding the cuc.

So now you have basically cycled the tank and can look to add fish. Lights are running, heater is keeping a steady temp, cuc is keeping the tank clean, you are ghost feeding the tank and adding daily top off with fresh RO DI freshwater for top off all of this every day to maintain the sg of 1.025-.026.

Now you can add one or two fish. You've gone to the lfs and picked out your two fish and bring them home, you need to acclimate their bag unopened to the temp of your tank. Simply float the bag in your tank for 10-15 minutes. Now open the bag and you can either drip acclimate or add about a 1/4 cup of tank water to the bag. Do this every 10 minutes for 30 minutes and now you can add the fish from the bag into your tank.

If you did not complete all of this prior to putting your new fish in this is why your fish died and the tang more than likely will either die for the same reason or will be very stressed and likely get ich. This brings up one of the reasons why to have a quarantine tank.

I'm not trying to scare you just let you know that NOTHING GOOD HAPPENS FAST in this hobby, it takes time. Patience will be well rewarded as long as you force yourself not to make impulsive buys or hasty decissions. This means plan out the fish you want in your system, add the least aggressive fish first the most aggressive fish last, By adding fish slowly at one or two every two to four weeks to allow the biological bacteria time to grow and adjust to the bioload your fish are introducing into the water. If you don't take your time doing this your system will crash and your fish will get sick or die. All of this is reason to setup a quarantine tank, but that's a whole nother thread.

In closing you are going to spend a great deal of time and money on what will become a very rewarding hobby as well as your pride and joy, don't rush it and don't needlessly kill livestock by rushing into it. The livestock and your wallet will both appreciate it.

[Isaacs55]

Originally Posted by Dkuhlmann

The fish more than likely died because your tank wasn't ready for fish yet. Let me explain.

Once the nitrogen cycle has completed which is introduce ammonia source 2ppm, wait until the nitrites start to rise, you will have both ammonia and nitrites at this point and the nitrates will begin to rise. At some point the ammonia will go to 0 yet you will still have nitrites and nitrates both. When the nitrites go to 0 and ammonia is 0 you will have nitrates and technically your cycle is complete and you maintain a sg of 1.025 to 1.026 The tank isn't ready to add fish at this point.

Next what needs to happen is to add additional ammonia to see if the nitrifying bacteria can process it to 0 ammonia in a 24 hr period. Either add a large dead shrimp or pure ammonia to reach 2ppm, also continue to ghost feed your tank as if it did have fish. This food and ammonia feeds the bacteria that are needed to process the bioload (ammonia) your fish will produce when they process their food through their system. Taking a poop. Expelling waste.

At this time you've been maintaining the sg of the water, running your lights, ghost feeding as if you had fish and maintaining a constant temp you should be starting to see a significant algae growth If so Great, it's time to add your clean up crew CUC. The cuc will start keeping the tank clean and also eat much of that ghost feeding that you are still doing. But what I suggest at the point right before you add the cuc is to bring the ammonia up to 2ppm again and be certain that is processed to 0 in a 24 hr period prior to adding the cuc.

So now you have basically cycled the tank and can look to add fish. Lights are running, heater is keeping a steady temp, cuc is keeping the tank clean, you are ghost feeding the tank and adding daily top off with fresh RO DI freshwater for top off all of this every day to maintain the sg of 1.025-.026.

Now you can add one or two fish. You've gone to the lfs and picked out your two fish and bring them home, you need to acclimate their bag unopened to the temp of your tank. Simply float the bag in your tank for 10-15 minutes. Now open the bag and you can either drip acclimate or add about a 1/4 cup of tank water to the bag. Do this every 10 minutes for 30 minutes and now you can add the fish from the bag into your tank.

If you did not complete all of this prior to putting your new fish in this is why your fish died and the tang more than likely will either die for the same reason or will be very stressed and likely get ich. This brings up one of the reasons why to have a quarantine tank.

I'm not trying to scare you just let you know that NOTHING GOOD HAPPENS FAST in this hobby, it takes time. Patience will be well rewarded as long as you force yourself not to make impulsive buys or hasty decissions. This means plan out the fish you want in your system, add the least aggressive fish first the most aggressive fish last, By adding fish slowly at one or two every two to four weeks to allow the biological bacteria time to grow and adjust to the bioload your fish are introducing into the water. If you don't take your time doing this your system will crash and your fish will get sick or die. All of this is reason to setup a quarantine tank, but that's a whole nother thread.

In closing you are going to spend a great deal of time and money on what will become a very rewarding hobby as well as your pride and joy, don't rush it and don't needlessly kill livestock by rushing into it. The livestock and your wallet will both appreciate it.

+1 lol

[Tspors58]

3 weeks? Cycled? Maybe the numbers did but a tank is no where near ready for fish in 3 weeks. I practice and preach 2 months before you add CUC. 2 More months before you add fish. Almost a guarantee for life for a long term hobby. Not to sound harsh but your last question......
"I dont know what kill it" ?
You did! Operator Error.......now hopefully you will slow down and move forward to a successful tank.

[vhuang168]

Originally Posted by Tspors58

3 weeks? Cycled? Maybe the numbers did but a tank is no where near ready for fish in 3 weeks..

Please explain why.

Would like to learn why a tank that can process 2ppm ammonia within 24hrs (assuming using dead rock/sand so no die off) is no where ready for fish.

[rt67ghy]

I agree you should give enough time for your tank to cycle. After introducing ammonia source in my tank I left it a whole month to cycle. I checked and found 0 ammonia. Then I added 2 hermit crabs and left them for another month. After this I added a four- stripe damsel and left it there for another month...After 3 months I felt it was safe to remove damsel and add a clown pair. Call me over-cautious but I have had no fish deaths in my one year in this hobby.

[Sk8r]

You can say that a rope connects point A to point B. But if that rope is only clothes-line, and a 250 lb man tries to use it, it may break. If you put 2 fish into a tank that has just cycled, you are putting a lot of biological 'weight' on a very thin rope. Cycling is not a date by which things work: it's a process that actually goes on for 6 months or so, in terms of becoming fully alive and strong. Start slowly with snails and micro-hermits and increase their number while you prepare a fish in quarantine.

[rt67ghy]

Originally Posted by Sk8r

You can say that a rope connects point A to point B. But if that rope is only clothes-line, and a 250 lb man tries to use it, it may break. If you put 2 fish into a tank that has just cycled, you are putting a lot of biological 'weight' on a very thin rope. Cycling is not a date by which things work: it's a process that actually goes on for 6 months or so, in terms of becoming fully alive and strong. Start slowly with snails and micro-hermits and increase their number while you prepare a fish in quarantine.

+1

Each time you add a living organism and feed it ammonia will be released but the population of bacteria should be able to take care of it if the bio-load is not excessive. The bacteria population will increase to process the ammonia and nitrites which is now being added on a daily basis. You should wait at least a week between new additions so the bacteria population can catch up with the new and increased bio-load.

[CStrickland]

Originally Posted by fuy

So on Wednesday my cycle was done
Next day when when to buy fish
I got one yellow tang and one clown fish
So next day when home at night
I go check on the fish and i saw the clown fish dead
I check my water and everything was one point
I dont know what kill it

What did the clown fish look like when it was dead?
Like, was it fuzzy, spotty, were its fins ragged, mouth wide open?

Also, how did you add them to the tank? Slowly or put right in?

What water are you using, filtered or from the faucet?

Is the tang swimming peacefully and eating now, or acting funny/breathing heavy?

It could be that ammonia got high enough to kill the clown, and then was processed to zero right away even with the dead clown still in there. But it could be other stuff too. How big is the tank btw?

[joshbrookkate]

There's so much to learn when first getting into this hobby. And so much help here on RC. We newbies make a lot of mistakes. If you haven't already done so, take the time to read the stickies in the "New to the Hobby" section of this forum about starting out. And keep asking questions. Good luck.

[ericarenee]

I am very Surprised the Tang did not die and the clown be OK . This makes me suspect that the fish had a issue Pr to putting in your tank.
With that said I agree you did not wait long enough to put something in your tank. Two fish at once was a bad idea as said above. but not only that a Yellow tank being the first in the tank is only going to End up Terrorizing the other fish... If you have a Choice Pick a new Local fish store. They should not have let you walk out of there with those two fish at the same time. And especially a TANG Being one of your first fish..
.
Take the tang back and ask them why they sold you it so early on...

[Tspors58]

Originally Posted by Sk8r

You can say that a rope connects point A to point B. But if that rope is only clothes-line, and a 250 lb man tries to use it, it may break. If you put 2 fish into a tank that has just cycled, you are putting a lot of biological 'weight' on a very thin rope. Cycling is not a date by which things work: it's a process that actually goes on for 6 months or so, in terms of becoming fully alive and strong. Start slowly with snails and micro-hermits and increase their number while you prepare a fish in quarantine.

Correct cycling is not a date however, just because the numbers made the turn does not mean it is ready. It takes time for that cycled turn to become stable. I never test for a cycle no sense to test if you wait for your system to settle. Therefore the 2 month - 4 months works and the water is much more stable to support fish,

[jminick2]

so much bad info on this forum for new people anymore.
IF a tank is properly cycled and can process ammonia under 24 hours a fish is absolutely 100% not going to die overnight from ammonia poisoning. I don't care if you add the day after your cycle or 2 years later, this fish did not die from ammonia poisoning, if everything is as the OP says of course.