Leave it or deal with it now??

LuciDog · 07/03/2015, 08:01 AM

I started cycling my tank only 2 days ago. Things are moving along just fine from what I see, but... Pretty sure I have aptasia growing out of some LR I just bought.

I don't want to mess with the cycle, but I don't want this getting out of hand.
What would you recommend?

jminick2 · 07/03/2015, 08:02 AM

just take some boiling water in a syringe and blast it. no harm done to the cycle at all.

jminick2 · 07/03/2015, 08:03 AM

make sure its aiptasia....post a pic if you can

gone fishin · 07/03/2015, 08:07 AM

I personally would take care of it now. what is the worst that can happen your cycle gets extended a little bit. If your rock is stacked then I would remove the rock and use a bic lighter on the little suckers.

There a many remedies from boiling water, kalk paste, lemon juice, epoxy or superglue over it and many commercially available pastes.

Sk8r · 07/03/2015, 08:08 AM

If that's the only aiptasia you have, sure, take the rock out and hit it with hot water, but if not the only, don't sweat it. If aiptasia gets out of hand, a small crew of peppermint shrimp will deal with it.

LuciDog · 07/03/2015, 08:09 AM

I've found quite a few hitch hikers so far. Brittle stars, muscles, a couple (what I think) mushrooms, some hermit crabs. It's pretty cool.

This is the suspect...

LuciDog · 07/03/2015, 08:12 AM

Oh and it moves. I took that pic last night. It's about 2-3" today from where it was last night.

It's not the only patch. There is another patch inside my largest piece of rock. I would really prefer not to remove the rock.

Coralreefer1 · 07/03/2015, 08:44 AM

The anemone will probably die as ammonia and nitrite levels spike as a result of your tank cycling. However, the cool, living polyp, stars, hermits and other hitch hikers will probably succumb to the same outcome.

jminick2 · 07/03/2015, 09:44 AM

definite aiptasia.

KingTriton1 · 07/03/2015, 11:45 AM

Aiptasia is not a big deal imo. Honestly, I'd be surprised if I bought live rock and it didn't have it.

88rxna · 07/03/2015, 11:48 AM

Get it while you can. They like to live with zoas and will make them close up leaving you with an ugly aptasia.
Im dealing with aptasia now and its a pain.

CStrickland · 07/03/2015, 12:25 PM

Kill it. With fire, lasers, boiling water, acid, whatever.
I had one come in and then for a month or so little guys popped up here and there. They are easy to get by just plopping a glob of kalk paste on top. Eventually it quit and all is well. I like controlling what little I can in the tank, I'd rather keep them out personally.

rt67ghy · 07/03/2015, 01:20 PM

Boiling water works well and doesn't cost $$. You'll have to hit the big ones 2 or 3 times with a 50cc syringe and rigid airline tubing. Then you can suck up the corpse. They even grow from a single cell if you leave it in the aquarium so don't scrape them off with a sharp object; they'll just spread faster.

LuciDog · 07/03/2015, 01:38 PM

I think it's dying on its own from being subjected to the cycle. It does not look pleased. I'm going to wait a few days and see what happens.

nuxx · 07/03/2015, 01:46 PM

Yuck!

Like they say, if you see one, you have more.

I'd see what it did during the cycle. Toss in some peps or berghia nudibranch if you really need it gone.

heathlindner25 · 07/04/2015, 06:18 AM

Looks like you got a little green mushroom too....

Tspors58 · 07/04/2015, 07:05 AM

Medical syringe, hot water, sodium hydroxide.
50/50 solution inject .5 ml very safe and they will never return.

Tspors58 · 07/04/2015, 07:12 AM

2004 Post:
OK, here is my sure fire way, 100% success rate, never to return again method.

Use a saturated solution of Sodium Hydroxide (Drain Away, Draino, whatever you like to call it) and water. Using a syringe, squirt about 0.5 mL into the mouth of each aiptasia. This will kill even the stubborn foot tissue.

I initially used kalk paste like pies, by found that the success rate wasn't that great. Sodium Hydroxide is much more soluble than Calcium Hydroxide, and is more alkaline, completely nuking the aiptasia.

Again don't dose too much at one time. It is not harmful to your reef, unless you directly squirt it onto corals. Just a warning that Sodium Hydroxide will cause sever chemical burns if handled, you can tell if you have it on your hands 'cause they will feel "soapy" and slippery. If you feel your hands becoming slippery, wash with a LOT of cold water. Preferably wear gloves when handling.

As dangerous as the chemical sounds, it is really quite safe for your reef.

Draino is surprisingly pure sodium hydroxide, Red Devil Lye is best and is really no more dangerous to your tank than calcium hydroxide (kalk). Any tank with a reasonable alkalinity (greater than 2.6) should have no problems adding it. The hydroxide ion reacts relativly quickly with dissolved carbon dioxide producing, there are also other mechanisms for the neutralisation of the free hydroxide. Which reaction is most significant is determined by the pH.

2(OH)- + 2CO2 ---> H20 + 2(CO3)2-

The only difference between this and the kalk method is the spectator ion (Ca2+ as opposed to Na+).
Kalk will do the same thing to your hand as sodium hydroxide, at a much much slower rate.

If anything this method is easier on the fish, I had problems with fish eating, or trying to eat the white kalk paste. I for one wouldn't like a mouth full of kalk. The sodium hydroxide method is much safer in that it is completely soluble, such that any solution which doesn't make it into the aiptasia, is quikly netralised by surrounding water by the above reaction, and no solid remains to be eaten by fish.

ericarenee · 07/04/2015, 08:27 AM

When the tank cycled toss in two peppermint shrimp .. Just do NOT GET Yellow polyps Coral.. once aptasia is gone they will become fair game food..

heathlindner25 · 07/04/2015, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tspors58

2004 Post:
OK, here is my sure fire way, 100% success rate, never to return again method.

Use a saturated solution of Sodium Hydroxide (Drain Away, Draino, whatever you like to call it) and water. Using a syringe, squirt about 0.5 mL into the mouth of each aiptasia. This will kill even the stubborn foot tissue.

I initially used kalk paste like pies, by found that the success rate wasn't that great. Sodium Hydroxide is much more soluble than Calcium Hydroxide, and is more alkaline, completely nuking the aiptasia.

Again don't dose too much at one time. It is not harmful to your reef, unless you directly squirt it onto corals. Just a warning that Sodium Hydroxide will cause sever chemical burns if handled, you can tell if you have it on your hands 'cause they will feel "soapy" and slippery. If you feel your hands becoming slippery, wash with a LOT of cold water. Preferably wear gloves when handling.

As dangerous as the chemical sounds, it is really quite safe for your reef.

Draino is surprisingly pure sodium hydroxide, Red Devil Lye is best and is really no more dangerous to your tank than calcium hydroxide (kalk). Any tank with a reasonable alkalinity (greater than 2.6) should have no problems adding it. The hydroxide ion reacts relativly quickly with dissolved carbon dioxide producing, there are also other mechanisms for the neutralisation of the free hydroxide. Which reaction is most significant is determined by the pH.

2(OH)- + 2CO2 ---> H20 + 2(CO3)2-

The only difference between this and the kalk method is the spectator ion (Ca2+ as opposed to Na+).
Kalk will do the same thing to your hand as sodium hydroxide, at a much much slower rate.

If anything this method is easier on the fish, I had problems with fish eating, or trying to eat the white kalk paste. I for one wouldn't like a mouth full of kalk. The sodium hydroxide method is much safer in that it is completely soluble, such that any solution which doesn't make it into the aiptasia, is quikly netralised by surrounding water by the above reaction, and no solid remains to be eaten by fish.

we call this Reef napalm....aptasia killer...!

Tspors58 · 07/04/2015, 11:24 AM

Yes used properly.!!

Kona26 · 07/04/2015, 11:32 AM

I have had great luck with my file fish. I have tried a lot to get rid of the aptasia from my tank and none have worked. My problem was I could never find all of it and a few weeks after treatment it would pop back up. My tank was a forest of it before I put my file fish in now I only have a few here and there. I can live with that (better then moving my rocks all the time trying to make sure I got it all)

LuciDog · 07/04/2015, 06:27 PM

I'm going to wait and see if the cycle kills it. If not, then I will pick up a couple peppermint shrimp. I have 3 piles of it that I can see... If that doesn't work, I'll declare chemical warfare.

I do have a little mushroom there. And a big one. Sadly they are also dying in the cycle. Pretty sure the few brittle stars that hitch hiked in are dead now too.

heathlindner25 · 07/04/2015, 07:53 PM

you can leave it outside in the winter in a 5 gallon bucket and it won't die...
only the things you spend money on die..lol

Mcgeezer · 07/04/2015, 09:11 PM

Mix kalk powder with tank water and "feed" the aiptasia with it. Watch it melt into oblivion. Problem solved.

07/03/2015, 08:01 AM	#1
LuciDog Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 355	Leave it or deal with it now?? I started cycling my tank only 2 days ago. Things are moving along just fine from what I see, but... Pretty sure I have aptasia growing out of some LR I just bought. I don't want to mess with the cycle, but I don't want this getting out of hand. What would you recommend?

07/03/2015, 08:02 AM	#2
jminick2 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,226	just take some boiling water in a syringe and blast it. no harm done to the cycle at all. __________________ “Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.” Current Tank Info: 300g sps tank

07/03/2015, 08:03 AM	#3
jminick2 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,226	make sure its aiptasia....post a pic if you can __________________ “Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.” Current Tank Info: 300g sps tank

07/03/2015, 08:07 AM	#4
gone fishin Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wyocena Wi Posts: 6,936	I personally would take care of it now. what is the worst that can happen your cycle gets extended a little bit. If your rock is stacked then I would remove the rock and use a bic lighter on the little suckers. There a many remedies from boiling water, kalk paste, lemon juice, epoxy or superglue over it and many commercially available pastes. __________________ Tony Current Tank Info: 180gal DT, BM NAC77 skimmer,3 Maxspect razors, Maxspect Gyre 150, 30g QT

07/03/2015, 08:08 AM	#5
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	If that's the only aiptasia you have, sure, take the rock out and hit it with hot water, but if not the only, don't sweat it. If aiptasia gets out of hand, a small crew of peppermint shrimp will deal with it. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

07/03/2015, 08:09 AM	#6
LuciDog Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 355	I've found quite a few hitch hikers so far. Brittle stars, muscles, a couple (what I think) mushrooms, some hermit crabs. It's pretty cool. This is the suspect...

07/03/2015, 08:12 AM	#7
LuciDog Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 355	Oh and it moves. I took that pic last night. It's about 2-3" today from where it was last night. It's not the only patch. There is another patch inside my largest piece of rock. I would really prefer not to remove the rock.

07/03/2015, 08:44 AM	#8
Coralreefer1 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Lake Mary, Florida Posts: 155	The anemone will probably die as ammonia and nitrite levels spike as a result of your tank cycling. However, the cool, living polyp, stars, hermits and other hitch hikers will probably succumb to the same outcome. __________________ 14 Gallon Biocube with a Jebao Wavemaker and AI Prime LED light fixture. ---------------------------------------------------- Save a Reef...Create Your Own! Current Tank Info: Various LPS, SPS, Zoanthids andToadstools

07/03/2015, 09:44 AM	#9
jminick2 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,226	definite aiptasia. __________________ “Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.” Current Tank Info: 300g sps tank

07/03/2015, 11:45 AM	#10
KingTriton1 Moved On Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 642	Aiptasia is not a big deal imo. Honestly, I'd be surprised if I bought live rock and it didn't have it.

07/03/2015, 11:48 AM	#11
88rxna Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: ludlow,PA Posts: 605	Get it while you can. They like to live with zoas and will make them close up leaving you with an ugly aptasia. Im dealing with aptasia now and its a pain. __________________ 90 gallon display, CSC bean animal overflow/30 gallon sump (in basement) SWC 160 skimmer reeflow dart external pump reefkeeper lite a pair of ocean revive S026 led fixtures

07/03/2015, 12:25 PM	#12
CStrickland Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: New England, U.S. Posts: 4,595	Kill it. With fire, lasers, boiling water, acid, whatever. I had one come in and then for a month or so little guys popped up here and there. They are easy to get by just plopping a glob of kalk paste on top. Eventually it quit and all is well. I like controlling what little I can in the tank, I'd rather keep them out personally. __________________ If you're havin tank problems I feel bad for you, son. I got 99 problems but a fish ain't one Current Tank Info: 3/2016 upgrade to 120g. Chalk bass, melanurus, firefish, starry blenny, canary blenny, lyretail anthias, engineer gobys, kole tang. Softies / LPS / NPS. <3 noob4life <3

07/03/2015, 01:20 PM	#13
rt67ghy Registered Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dhaka, Bangladesh Posts: 984	Boiling water works well and doesn't cost $$. You'll have to hit the big ones 2 or 3 times with a 50cc syringe and rigid airline tubing. Then you can suck up the corpse. They even grow from a single cell if you leave it in the aquarium so don't scrape them off with a sharp object; they'll just spread faster.

07/03/2015, 01:38 PM	#14
LuciDog Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 355	I think it's dying on its own from being subjected to the cycle. It does not look pleased. I'm going to wait a few days and see what happens.

07/03/2015, 01:46 PM	#15
nuxx RC Sponsor Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 3,990	Yuck! Like they say, if you see one, you have more. I'd see what it did during the cycle. Toss in some peps or berghia nudibranch if you really need it gone. __________________ Peter TankStop - Fish and Coral 470G Display - Build Thread Current Tank Info: Retired - 470 Gallon Mixed Reef (120x29x31")

07/04/2015, 06:18 AM	#16
heathlindner25 Moved On Join Date: May 2012 Location: flowery branch georgia Posts: 3,644	Looks like you got a little green mushroom too....

07/04/2015, 07:05 AM	#17
Tspors58 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Appleton, WI. Posts: 145	Medical syringe, hot water, sodium hydroxide. 50/50 solution inject .5 ml very safe and they will never return. __________________ Keep it simple. Take it slow. Long Term Hobby. Current Tank Info: 210g w/Eshopps RS-200 sump, Reef Octopus Classic 150 SSS, Inline Ocean Clear Filter, 2 Kessel 360W, Jebao DC-8000, & 2 Jebao WP40 Wavemakers

07/04/2015, 07:12 AM	#18
Tspors58 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Appleton, WI. Posts: 145	2004 Post: OK, here is my sure fire way, 100% success rate, never to return again method. Use a saturated solution of Sodium Hydroxide (Drain Away, Draino, whatever you like to call it) and water. Using a syringe, squirt about 0.5 mL into the mouth of each aiptasia. This will kill even the stubborn foot tissue. I initially used kalk paste like pies, by found that the success rate wasn't that great. Sodium Hydroxide is much more soluble than Calcium Hydroxide, and is more alkaline, completely nuking the aiptasia. Again don't dose too much at one time. It is not harmful to your reef, unless you directly squirt it onto corals. Just a warning that Sodium Hydroxide will cause sever chemical burns if handled, you can tell if you have it on your hands 'cause they will feel "soapy" and slippery. If you feel your hands becoming slippery, wash with a LOT of cold water. Preferably wear gloves when handling. As dangerous as the chemical sounds, it is really quite safe for your reef. Draino is surprisingly pure sodium hydroxide, Red Devil Lye is best and is really no more dangerous to your tank than calcium hydroxide (kalk). Any tank with a reasonable alkalinity (greater than 2.6) should have no problems adding it. The hydroxide ion reacts relativly quickly with dissolved carbon dioxide producing, there are also other mechanisms for the neutralisation of the free hydroxide. Which reaction is most significant is determined by the pH. 2(OH)- + 2CO2 ---> H20 + 2(CO3)2- The only difference between this and the kalk method is the spectator ion (Ca2+ as opposed to Na+). Kalk will do the same thing to your hand as sodium hydroxide, at a much much slower rate. If anything this method is easier on the fish, I had problems with fish eating, or trying to eat the white kalk paste. I for one wouldn't like a mouth full of kalk. The sodium hydroxide method is much safer in that it is completely soluble, such that any solution which doesn't make it into the aiptasia, is quikly netralised by surrounding water by the above reaction, and no solid remains to be eaten by fish. __________________ Keep it simple. Take it slow. Long Term Hobby. Current Tank Info: 210g w/Eshopps RS-200 sump, Reef Octopus Classic 150 SSS, Inline Ocean Clear Filter, 2 Kessel 360W, Jebao DC-8000, & 2 Jebao WP40 Wavemakers

07/04/2015, 08:27 AM	#19
ericarenee Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Louisville Kentucky Posts: 3,110	When the tank cycled toss in two peppermint shrimp .. Just do NOT GET Yellow polyps Coral.. once aptasia is gone they will become fair game food..

07/04/2015, 11:24 AM	#21
Tspors58 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Appleton, WI. Posts: 145	Yes used properly.!! __________________ Keep it simple. Take it slow. Long Term Hobby. Current Tank Info: 210g w/Eshopps RS-200 sump, Reef Octopus Classic 150 SSS, Inline Ocean Clear Filter, 2 Kessel 360W, Jebao DC-8000, & 2 Jebao WP40 Wavemakers

07/04/2015, 11:32 AM	#22
Kona26 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Beaverton, Or Posts: 845	I have had great luck with my file fish. I have tried a lot to get rid of the aptasia from my tank and none have worked. My problem was I could never find all of it and a few weeks after treatment it would pop back up. My tank was a forest of it before I put my file fish in now I only have a few here and there. I can live with that (better then moving my rocks all the time trying to make sure I got it all) __________________ 130g long DT. - (april. 2013) - 55g sump w/fuge (60in 80w 6 bulb ATI) - Bubble mag. curve 7 skimmer - 2 jebao 15 pumps - ATO - GFO/carbon - 2 heaters

07/04/2015, 06:27 PM	#23
LuciDog Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 355	I'm going to wait and see if the cycle kills it. If not, then I will pick up a couple peppermint shrimp. I have 3 piles of it that I can see... If that doesn't work, I'll declare chemical warfare. I do have a little mushroom there. And a big one. Sadly they are also dying in the cycle. Pretty sure the few brittle stars that hitch hiked in are dead now too.

07/04/2015, 07:53 PM	#24
heathlindner25 Moved On Join Date: May 2012 Location: flowery branch georgia Posts: 3,644	you can leave it outside in the winter in a 5 gallon bucket and it won't die... only the things you spend money on die..lol

07/04/2015, 09:11 PM	#25
Mcgeezer Reef gardener Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: DeLand, Florida Posts: 1,205	Mix kalk powder with tank water and "feed" the aiptasia with it. Watch it melt into oblivion. Problem solved.