Anemone closes up when Clown touches it

ChuckNasty · 09/09/2015, 04:05 PM

Just as the title explains, my RBTA closes up whenever my Occellaris clown touches it... How can it host an anemone, if the anemone doesn't let it?

shifty51008 · 09/09/2015, 04:20 PM

The anemone does the hosting not the clowns

Give it time, the anemone will gwt used to the clowns and will stay open.

ChuckNasty · 09/09/2015, 06:50 PM

Actually... Its the clown that hosts the anemone.

ChuckNasty · 09/09/2015, 06:50 PM

But thanks for the info, I will just be patient.

water is wet · 09/09/2015, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ChuckNasty

Actually... Its the clown that hosts the anemone.

That is incorrect. The post above yours is correct.

hotelbravo · 09/09/2015, 07:50 PM

Yea the anemone is the host not the clown. Think about it this way: when you invite friends over to your house who is the host? The friends or you? Obviously you are its your house. Same concept with the anemone. The clown is being hosted by it. Allowing it into its home (body).

Anyways back on topic.. Anemones sometimes will ball up at first since it recognizes the clown as an object but over time it will begin to recognize the clown as part of itself and not even know he is there

Dkuhlmann · 09/10/2015, 03:12 AM

The anemone is the Host to the clownfish.

ChuckNasty · 09/10/2015, 01:05 PM

Understood. So has anyone else had this problem?

shifty51008 · 09/10/2015, 01:13 PM

My rbta's did it for a couple days till the clowns acclimated to them, now they dont even know they are there

shifty51008 · 09/10/2015, 01:14 PM

Btw off topic but how many jokes do you hear about where you live? I know i seen that name before on some show and thought it was great.

ChuckNasty · 09/10/2015, 02:19 PM

Chuck Nasty? That nickname was made up in highschool haha, I never heard of it being on a show.

shifty51008 · 09/10/2015, 02:20 PM

Sorry ment the spooner town part

ChuckNasty · 09/10/2015, 02:47 PM

Haha, yeah, people like to joke about Spooner quite a lot. You get used to it!

ChuckNasty · 09/10/2015, 02:48 PM

But back to saltwater, my rbta has been doing this for about 3 weeks?

hotelbravo · 09/10/2015, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ChuckNasty

Understood. So has anyone else had this problem?

Yes... Like I said

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Originally Posted by hotelbravo

Anyways back on topic.. Anemones sometimes will ball up at first since it recognizes the clown as an object but over time it will begin to recognize the clown as part of itself and not even know he is there

shifty51008 · 09/10/2015, 02:52 PM

3 weeks seems like a long time but i wouldnt worry to much about it. How big is your anemone compaired to the clowns?

ChuckNasty · 09/10/2015, 03:20 PM

it changes sizes, sometimes it can be 5 inches across, now it is in a 1- 2 inch ball - Clowns are 1 inch and 2 inches

shifty51008 · 09/10/2015, 03:31 PM

Ok the anemone should be fine, if the anemone is to small clowns can bug it to much to kill it but it is a good size.

stingeragent · 09/10/2015, 04:47 PM

I don't think there is any guarantee it will ever happen.

hotelbravo · 09/10/2015, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stingeragent

I don't think there is any guarantee it will ever happen.

I disagree with you. Based on this quote from an article it is certain that eventually the anemone will not be able to know the existence of the clown living inside it therefor cannot react to the clowns presence

It is believed that the clownfish is protected due to a mucus coat on the outside of its skin. Studies have suggested that the clownfish’s protection can be innate, acquired, or both, depending upon the species. It is suggested that some species of clownfish are innately protected from an anemone’s sting before ever coming into contact with the anemone. This is because the mucus coat they produce is sufficient to protect them from the anemone’s sting. Others, however, must acclimate to the host anemone before they can move freely among its tentacles without being stung. They do this by rubbing themselves on the anemone’s tentacles over and over again. Initially, the clownfish are stung by the tentacles, but over time, they appear to be unharmed.

Interestingly, even clownfish that are innately protected exhibit this “acclimation behavior.” After initial contact, they acquire antigens from the anemone they have encountered. It has been proposed that these antigens serve as a type of “chemical camouflage” for the fish. With the acquisition of these antigens, the anemone is no longer able to distinguish between itself and the clownfish. The result is that the anenome no longer reacts to the fish by stinging.

ChuckNasty · 09/10/2015, 07:27 PM

Well I know it is being hosted, that is not the issue. Because my clown (at night) tries to go inside the anemone, but it just balls up. Like I said before, this has been happening since I purchased the nem, (2 - 3 weeks ago)

hotelbravo · 09/10/2015, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ChuckNasty

Well I know it is being hosted, that is not the issue. Because my clown (at night) tries to go inside the anemone, but it just balls up. Like I said before, this has been happening since I purchased the nem, (2 - 3 weeks ago)

it is in my opinion it will be just fine there should be no reason to worry.

Bent · 09/10/2015, 11:08 PM

Dude at least yours recognizes that their is something there to begin with. My oscii won't go near either one of my nems.

Shawn O · 09/11/2015, 01:17 PM

I thought anemones closed up into a ball at night. Could this be normal behavior the OP is seeing or is closing up at night only for some species and not all?

BTW, 31 Spooner st. Quahog, Rhode Island is where Peter Griffin lives. "hahahaha, he said Peter."

Dkuhlmann · 09/11/2015, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bent

Dude at least yours recognizes that their is something there to begin with. My oscii won't go near either one of my nems.

My Perculas won't go near any of my 3 bta's

09/09/2015, 04:05 PM	#1
ChuckNasty Registered Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Spooner, WI. Posts: 105	Anemone closes up when Clown touches it Just as the title explains, my RBTA closes up whenever my Occellaris clown touches it... How can it host an anemone, if the anemone doesn't let it? __________________ \|\| 24 Gallon / 1.026 Salinity / 80 Deg. / mixed reef \|\| \|\| There's an old saying... "White water in the morning." \|\|

09/09/2015, 04:20 PM	#2
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	The anemone does the hosting not the clowns Give it time, the anemone will gwt used to the clowns and will stay open. __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

09/09/2015, 06:50 PM	#3
ChuckNasty Registered Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Spooner, WI. Posts: 105	Actually... Its the clown that hosts the anemone. __________________ \|\| 24 Gallon / 1.026 Salinity / 80 Deg. / mixed reef \|\| \|\| There's an old saying... "White water in the morning." \|\|

09/09/2015, 06:50 PM	#4
ChuckNasty Registered Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Spooner, WI. Posts: 105	But thanks for the info, I will just be patient. __________________ \|\| 24 Gallon / 1.026 Salinity / 80 Deg. / mixed reef \|\| \|\| There's an old saying... "White water in the morning." \|\|

09/09/2015, 07:50 PM	#6
hotelbravo Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 2,175	Yea the anemone is the host not the clown. Think about it this way: when you invite friends over to your house who is the host? The friends or you? Obviously you are its your house. Same concept with the anemone. The clown is being hosted by it. Allowing it into its home (body). Anyways back on topic.. Anemones sometimes will ball up at first since it recognizes the clown as an object but over time it will begin to recognize the clown as part of itself and not even know he is there __________________ -Hodge Current Tank Info: 180 gallon, 40b sump. 3x OR T247 lighting, Reef Octopus protein skimmer, phosban 550 reactor, tunze ato, gyre xf 150, 2x mag 9.5 returns.

09/10/2015, 03:12 AM	#7
Dkuhlmann Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 8,823	The anemone is the Host to the clownfish. __________________ Previous tanks: 200 gal fowlr 9" Emperor Angel and many different butterfly fish 4" maroon clown and several other fish, 50 gal sump, 40 gal mixed reef/fish mostly softies and LPS. Current Tank Info: 40b 750 gph 45 lbs lr, 2"-3" sand, 165w full spectrum dimable LED, 20 gal sump/refugium 30 lbs lr, Bak Pak 2 skimmer, 4" sock temp 79-80, sg 1.026, NH3 0, NO2 0, NO3 <10, ph 8.2, calc 400, mag 1300

09/10/2015, 01:05 PM	#8
ChuckNasty Registered Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Spooner, WI. Posts: 105	Understood. So has anyone else had this problem? __________________ \|\| 24 Gallon / 1.026 Salinity / 80 Deg. / mixed reef \|\| \|\| There's an old saying... "White water in the morning." \|\|

09/10/2015, 01:13 PM	#9
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	My rbta's did it for a couple days till the clowns acclimated to them, now they dont even know they are there __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

09/10/2015, 01:14 PM	#10
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	Btw off topic but how many jokes do you hear about where you live? I know i seen that name before on some show and thought it was great. __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

09/10/2015, 02:19 PM	#11
ChuckNasty Registered Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Spooner, WI. Posts: 105	Chuck Nasty? That nickname was made up in highschool haha, I never heard of it being on a show. __________________ \|\| 24 Gallon / 1.026 Salinity / 80 Deg. / mixed reef \|\| \|\| There's an old saying... "White water in the morning." \|\|

09/10/2015, 02:20 PM	#12
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	Sorry ment the spooner town part __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

09/10/2015, 02:47 PM	#13
ChuckNasty Registered Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Spooner, WI. Posts: 105	Haha, yeah, people like to joke about Spooner quite a lot. You get used to it! __________________ \|\| 24 Gallon / 1.026 Salinity / 80 Deg. / mixed reef \|\| \|\| There's an old saying... "White water in the morning." \|\|

09/10/2015, 02:48 PM	#14
ChuckNasty Registered Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Spooner, WI. Posts: 105	But back to saltwater, my rbta has been doing this for about 3 weeks? __________________ \|\| 24 Gallon / 1.026 Salinity / 80 Deg. / mixed reef \|\| \|\| There's an old saying... "White water in the morning." \|\|

09/10/2015, 02:52 PM	#16
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	3 weeks seems like a long time but i wouldnt worry to much about it. How big is your anemone compaired to the clowns? __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

09/10/2015, 03:20 PM	#17
ChuckNasty Registered Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Spooner, WI. Posts: 105	it changes sizes, sometimes it can be 5 inches across, now it is in a 1- 2 inch ball - Clowns are 1 inch and 2 inches __________________ \|\| 24 Gallon / 1.026 Salinity / 80 Deg. / mixed reef \|\| \|\| There's an old saying... "White water in the morning." \|\|

09/10/2015, 03:31 PM	#18
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	Ok the anemone should be fine, if the anemone is to small clowns can bug it to much to kill it but it is a good size. __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

09/10/2015, 04:47 PM	#19
stingeragent Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,032	I don't think there is any guarantee it will ever happen.

09/10/2015, 07:27 PM	#21
ChuckNasty Registered Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Spooner, WI. Posts: 105	Well I know it is being hosted, that is not the issue. Because my clown (at night) tries to go inside the anemone, but it just balls up. Like I said before, this has been happening since I purchased the nem, (2 - 3 weeks ago) __________________ \|\| 24 Gallon / 1.026 Salinity / 80 Deg. / mixed reef \|\| \|\| There's an old saying... "White water in the morning." \|\|

09/10/2015, 11:08 PM	#23
Bent I got nothin' Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The anals Posts: 6,420	Dude at least yours recognizes that their is something there to begin with. My oscii won't go near either one of my nems. __________________ Quitters never lose. [QUOTE=CStrickland]Who gets mad at a starfish?[/QUOTE] Current Tank Info: 75g DT, 30G refugium, 10g chaeto tank, 50g stock tank basement sump

09/11/2015, 01:17 PM	#24
Shawn O Registered Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 1,474	I thought anemones closed up into a ball at night. Could this be normal behavior the OP is seeing or is closing up at night only for some species and not all? BTW, 31 Spooner st. Quahog, Rhode Island is where Peter Griffin lives. "hahahaha, he said Peter." __________________ "55gal glass box full of water, rocks and some not-so-amused little fishes" 2x Occellaris, 1 Pajama, 1 Neon Dottyback. Current Tank Info: 55gal tank, sumpless, ReefOctopus Classic 90, Twin bulb T5.