New Tank - Multiple Tangs 260 Gallons

LeotheLion18 · 12/13/2015, 05:20 PM

Hey everyone I am setting up a new 260 Gallon Tank (84x24x30) in the next month and am putting together my list of fish. I want to have several different tangs. I am worried about aggression among all of them. Please let me know if anyone has any experience with this many tangs all together. I am worried that the Sohol or Achilles might create a problem. I have included my full list below:

Blonde Male Naso
Achilles
Sohol
Chevron
Purple
Powder Blue
Hippo
Mustard
Yellow
Kole yellow eye

d-man · 12/13/2015, 05:22 PM

Sohal is a no no

albano · 12/13/2015, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLion18

Hey everyone I am setting up a new 260 Gallon Tank (84x24x30) in the next month and am putting together my list of fish. I want to have several different tangs. I am worried about aggression among all of them...
I am worried that the Sohol or Achilles might create a problem.

IMO, that is too many tangs for a 260g... Besides sohol and Achilles, powder blue will also get aggressive

jraker · 12/13/2015, 05:27 PM

i would not go with the sohal, achilles, or the PBT. a naso will probably do fine as long as you add it last because they do get big and could be aggressive towards other tangs

LeotheLion18 · 12/13/2015, 07:22 PM

Thank you guys for all of the input. Would a sohal work if it was a juvenile and added last?

kmbyrnes · 12/13/2015, 07:32 PM

I've got a Naso, Chevron and Powder Blue.
They were starting to get on each others nerves in a 125 'QT'. But are doing fine in a 350.
But I feel like I am 'tanged out' at this point.
I would scale back you list.

ginpang · 12/13/2015, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kmbyrnes

I've got a Naso, Chevron and Powder Blue.
They were starting to get on each others nerves in a 125 'QT'. But are doing fine in a 350.
But I feel like I am 'tanged out' at this point.
I would scale back you list.

+ 1

You may want to pick a specimen from each family ; one ctenocheatus, one zebrasoma and one acanthurus /paracanthurus / or naso.

sandyland · 12/13/2015, 08:20 PM

I had a powder blue first and then added a Achilles. The pbt was relentless and harassed the Achilles until it died.

sandyland · 12/13/2015, 08:21 PM

Purple and yellow will also fight to the death.

ca1ore · 12/14/2015, 08:28 AM

I have the same size tank and keep an Achilles, Chevron, Hippo, Desjardini Sailfin, Purple and a Yellow. I'd judge my tank to be 'tang saturated' at this point. For various reasons I'm unable to keep a Naso, but I'd judge even a 265 to be too small. Sohal is a hyper aggressive fish and on my no-keep list.

LeotheLion18 · 12/14/2015, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ca1ore

I have the same size tank and keep an Achilles, Chevron, Hippo, Desjardini Sailfin, Purple and a Yellow. I'd judge my tank to be 'tang saturated' at this point. For various reasons I'm unable to keep a Naso, but I'd judge even a 265 to be too small. Sohal is a hyper aggressive fish and on my no-keep list.

What has been your issue with the Naso? After all the input I think I'm leaning towards a Naso, Achilles, Chevron, and Purple Tang.

scooter31707 · 12/14/2015, 10:08 AM

Naso tangs came be a challenge to get eating. To me they are easily stressed and which causes them to not eat. I was told not to get them too big or too small, so they have better chance to adapt to captivity. I don't know how true that is. If you go with them 4, I would put the Naso in first and let him get established, then the Chevron, then the Achilles and PT at the same time.

Dmorty217 · 12/14/2015, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLion18

What has been your issue with the Naso? After all the input I think I'm leaning towards a Naso, Achilles, Chevron, and Purple Tang.

Lots die for no reason at all after eating for weeks, sometimes months. Probably has something to do with collection methods. Others never eat

LeotheLion18 · 12/14/2015, 11:03 AM

Got it. Has anyone had any luck with quoyi parrotfish? Thinking of adding one to my system.

anbosu · 12/14/2015, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLion18

Got it. Has anyone had any luck with quoyi parrotfish? Thinking of adding one to my system.

Yes, there is a thread on them if you search. They are pretty massive fish, just as an FYI. I don't know what their max length is, but parrotfish, at least in the wild, are thick.

LeotheLion18 · 12/14/2015, 11:43 AM

If i'm not mistaken the quoyi usually don't get more than 8 or 9 inches. I'll make sure and check before I put one in the tank. I've seen some Scarus rubroviolaceus in Hawaii over 24 inches.

Dmorty217 · 12/14/2015, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLion18

Got it. Has anyone had any luck with quoyi parrotfish? Thinking of adding one to my system.

Here is a thread with all the info you need.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2293760

brett559 · 12/14/2015, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeotheLion18

Hey everyone I am setting up a new 260 Gallon Tank (84x24x30) in the next month and am putting together my list of fish. I want to have several different tangs. I am worried about aggression among all of them. Please let me know if anyone has any experience with this many tangs all together. I am worried that the Sohol or Achilles might create a problem. I have included my full list below:

Blonde Male Naso
Achilles
Sohol
Chevron
Purple
Powder Blue
Hippo
Mustard
Yellow
Kole yellow eye

260 is a pretty big tank, but that is a lot of tangs. Much smarter people than me have chimed in, but I would not get all those. Achilles have a very poor track record. Powder blues and sohols are jerks (take that Reef Central logo!)

I'd get the following: Chevron, Purple, Hippo, Naso, and Yellow. A yellow and purple added together in that size tank would likely be fine.

That's a lot of tangs, but again, that's a big freaking tank!

Good luck!

brett559 · 12/14/2015, 04:18 PM

My LFS (been doing it 30 years) won't even sell Achilles. He says he sees them all the time at the wholesalers in LA but he won't stock them, even if someone requests one. He says that maybe 1 in 20 survives. Live Aquaria rates them Expert Only.

Don't get one. It will die.

ali1 · 12/14/2015, 04:21 PM

I got the following in my 300g with no issues. Most introduced at the same time.

Blonde Naso
RedSea Sailfin
Purple Tang
Hippo Tang
Yellow Tang
Powder Blue Tang
Kole Tang
Lieutenant Tang

LeotheLion18 · 12/14/2015, 05:38 PM

Thank you guys for chiming in. I am going up to LA tomorrow with a friend who works in the industry. He's going to take me in to all the wholesale warehouses and let me pick all my fish for my FOWLR tank. Anything special I should look out for? This is my list so far:

TANGS
Blonde Male Naso
Achilles or Powder Blue
Purple
Yellow
kole yellow eye
Hippo

WRASSES
Flame Male
Laboute's Fairy
Cleaner both regular & Hawaiian
Yellow Tail Tamarin
Lineatus
Cook Island Scott Fairy
Lineatus Fairy Wrasse
Lyretail Wrasse

Angels
Blue Face
Regal
Hawaiian Flame
Potters
Watanabei Angelfish Male
Golden

Anthias
Lyretail Male w/ Female school

Clownfish
Black Ocellaris
Black Ice
Snowflake
Picasso

Misc. Big
Australian Harlequin Tusk
Crosshatch Trigger Male or pair
Quoyi Parrotfish
Arothron Puffer (Blue with white Dots and maybe the gold too if there are a pair)
Pearl Scale Butterfly
Sunset Butterfly
Moorish Idol
marine betta

Misc. Small
Flame Hawk
Black Cap Basslet
Blue/Green Chromis School
Lawnmower Blennys
Cardinal Fish
Mandarin Goby
sleeper goby ( or any sand sifter)

albano · 12/14/2015, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeotheLion18

Thank you guys for chiming in. I am going up to LA tomorrow with a friend who works in the industry. He's going to take me in to all the wholesale warehouses and let me pick all my fish for my FOWLR tank. Anything special I should look out for? This is my list so far:
...

Although there is little chance of all those fish being available in 1 visit... I hope you're not planning on adding most at one time...what about QT ?

ca1ore · 12/14/2015, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLion18

What has been your issue with the Naso? After all the input I think I'm leaning towards a Naso, Achilles, Chevron, and Purple Tang.

0 for 3 over the last 18 months and there won't be a fourth. All went as
Dmorty describes: ate well for a while and then just wasted away and died.

LeotheLion18 · 12/14/2015, 07:22 PM

My friend has 20 different quarantine tanks at his shop so he will be housing all of the fish. I plan on making 2 or 3 trips up there to get my list covered. Any suggestions on some rare ones I have left out?

brett559 · 12/15/2015, 11:51 AM

I counted 39 fish, not including the anthias school. Are you getting all those? If so, wow - that will be an impressive tank.

12/13/2015, 05:20 PM	#1
LeotheLion18 Registered Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Newport Beach Posts: 44	New Tank - Multiple Tangs 260 Gallons Hey everyone I am setting up a new 260 Gallon Tank (84x24x30) in the next month and am putting together my list of fish. I want to have several different tangs. I am worried about aggression among all of them. Please let me know if anyone has any experience with this many tangs all together. I am worried that the Sohol or Achilles might create a problem. I have included my full list below: Blonde Male Naso Achilles Sohol Chevron Purple Powder Blue Hippo Mustard Yellow Kole yellow eye

12/13/2015, 07:22 PM	#5
LeotheLion18 Registered Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Newport Beach Posts: 44	Thank you guys for all of the input. Would a sohal work if it was a juvenile and added last? __________________ 265 Gallon SPS Reef 60 Gallon Frag Tank

12/13/2015, 07:32 PM	#6
kmbyrnes Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 2,055	I've got a Naso, Chevron and Powder Blue. They were starting to get on each others nerves in a 125 'QT'. But are doing fine in a 350. But I feel like I am 'tanged out' at this point. I would scale back you list. __________________ 125g Mixed Reef 5/26/2015; 350 Butterfly Dominated FOWLR 11/26/2015 - 11/17/20217 & 07/31/18 to ??? ; 100g Mixed Reef 11/16/2013 to 06/16/2017 Current Tank Info: Too small

12/14/2015, 08:28 AM	#10
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	I have the same size tank and keep an Achilles, Chevron, Hippo, Desjardini Sailfin, Purple and a Yellow. I'd judge my tank to be 'tang saturated' at this point. For various reasons I'm unable to keep a Naso, but I'd judge even a 265 to be too small. Sohal is a hyper aggressive fish and on my no-keep list. __________________ Simon Got back into the hobby ..... planned to keep it simple ..... yeah, right ..... clearly I need a new plan! Pet peeve: anemones host clowns; clowns do not host anemones! Current Tank Info: 450 Reef; 120 refugium; 60 Frag Tank, 30 Introduction tank; multiple QTs

12/14/2015, 11:03 AM	#14
LeotheLion18 Registered Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Newport Beach Posts: 44	Got it. Has anyone had any luck with quoyi parrotfish? Thinking of adding one to my system. __________________ 265 Gallon SPS Reef 60 Gallon Frag Tank

12/13/2015, 05:22 PM	#2
d-man Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: San Diego, ca Posts: 2,732	Sohal is a no no

12/13/2015, 05:27 PM	#4
jraker Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 1,421	i would not go with the sohal, achilles, or the PBT. a naso will probably do fine as long as you add it last because they do get big and could be aggressive towards other tangs

12/13/2015, 08:20 PM	#8
sandyland Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 160	I had a powder blue first and then added a Achilles. The pbt was relentless and harassed the Achilles until it died.

12/13/2015, 08:21 PM	#9
sandyland Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 160	Purple and yellow will also fight to the death.

12/14/2015, 10:08 AM	#12
scooter31707 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Virginia Posts: 4,971	Naso tangs came be a challenge to get eating. To me they are easily stressed and which causes them to not eat. I was told not to get them too big or too small, so they have better chance to adapt to captivity. I don't know how true that is. If you go with them 4, I would put the Naso in first and let him get established, then the Chevron, then the Achilles and PT at the same time.

12/14/2015, 11:43 AM	#16
LeotheLion18 Registered Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Newport Beach Posts: 44	If i'm not mistaken the quoyi usually don't get more than 8 or 9 inches. I'll make sure and check before I put one in the tank. I've seen some Scarus rubroviolaceus in Hawaii over 24 inches. __________________ 265 Gallon SPS Reef 60 Gallon Frag Tank

12/14/2015, 04:18 PM	#19
brett559 In Memoriam Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Visalia, CA Posts: 1,790	My LFS (been doing it 30 years) won't even sell Achilles. He says he sees them all the time at the wholesalers in LA but he won't stock them, even if someone requests one. He says that maybe 1 in 20 survives. Live Aquaria rates them Expert Only. Don't get one. It will die.

12/14/2015, 04:21 PM	#20
ali1 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 997	I got the following in my 300g with no issues. Most introduced at the same time. Blonde Naso RedSea Sailfin Purple Tang Hippo Tang Yellow Tang Powder Blue Tang Kole Tang Lieutenant Tang __________________ Originally Posted by Gogandantess "I'm totally frustrated by this disease. My display has been fallow for 2 months now. If ich happened to mysteriously appear again, I'm giving up and going back to African Cichilds."

12/14/2015, 05:38 PM	#21
LeotheLion18 Registered Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Newport Beach Posts: 44	Thank you guys for chiming in. I am going up to LA tomorrow with a friend who works in the industry. He's going to take me in to all the wholesale warehouses and let me pick all my fish for my FOWLR tank. Anything special I should look out for? This is my list so far: TANGS Blonde Male Naso Achilles or Powder Blue Purple Yellow kole yellow eye Hippo WRASSES Flame Male Laboute's Fairy Cleaner both regular & Hawaiian Yellow Tail Tamarin Lineatus Cook Island Scott Fairy Lineatus Fairy Wrasse Lyretail Wrasse Angels Blue Face Regal Hawaiian Flame Potters Watanabei Angelfish Male Golden Anthias Lyretail Male w/ Female school Clownfish Black Ocellaris Black Ice Snowflake Picasso Misc. Big Australian Harlequin Tusk Crosshatch Trigger Male or pair Quoyi Parrotfish Arothron Puffer (Blue with white Dots and maybe the gold too if there are a pair) Pearl Scale Butterfly Sunset Butterfly Moorish Idol marine betta Misc. Small Flame Hawk Black Cap Basslet Blue/Green Chromis School Lawnmower Blennys Cardinal Fish Mandarin Goby sleeper goby ( or any sand sifter) __________________ 265 Gallon SPS Reef 60 Gallon Frag Tank

12/14/2015, 07:22 PM	#24
LeotheLion18 Registered Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Newport Beach Posts: 44	My friend has 20 different quarantine tanks at his shop so he will be housing all of the fish. I plan on making 2 or 3 trips up there to get my list covered. Any suggestions on some rare ones I have left out? __________________ 265 Gallon SPS Reef 60 Gallon Frag Tank

12/15/2015, 11:51 AM	#25
brett559 In Memoriam Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Visalia, CA Posts: 1,790	I counted 39 fish, not including the anthias school. Are you getting all those? If so, wow - that will be an impressive tank.