Dwarf Angels not reef safe

crabbydan · 05/02/2016, 01:09 PM

I am roaming the check out your fish purchase thread and come across a common theme that dwarf angels are not reef safe or reef safe with caution. My question is do Dwarf Angels gravitate to a specific kind of coral? Are zoas safer than Stoney corals vs things like hammers and torches?

Any thoughts on a suitable dwarf angel in a 105 gallon primarily zoa tank?

toothybugs · 05/02/2016, 01:39 PM

Look through this a bit: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1661152

Bent · 05/02/2016, 03:21 PM

Some say yes, some say no.

Im in the "no" camp.

GimpyFin · 05/02/2016, 03:48 PM

This is one of those topics you will definitely get mixed responses on. IMO, I'd say flame angels are one of the safer bets (I've had one for about 2.5 years and no issues at all with any corals), but it's still a gamble and everybody's experience will vary slighty. I have a mitratus butterfly currently in QT that I'm taking a gamble on, so hopefully he turns out to be a model citizen too.

Bent · 05/02/2016, 04:02 PM

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greatest avatar ever btw.

GimpyFin · 05/02/2016, 04:13 PM

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greatest avatar ever btw.

Lol, thanks.

Ron Reefman · 05/03/2016, 05:35 AM

I have 3 in 3 different tanks. One eats zoos and the other 2 appear to be reef safe. It's a total craps shoot.

Dkuhlmann · 05/03/2016, 08:28 AM

I have a Cherub angel in my reef and he doesn't touch any of my corals anymore. He use to nip at several different kinds and he wrecked havoc on a pocilipora but now he leaves them alone too. I do not have zoas or any other polyp type corals so can't help with that. I've got mostly LPS acans, Duncan's, blasto's, torches, frogspawn, hammers and a few other SPS and leathers. He's being a good fish for several months now, no nipping.

Waters40 · 05/03/2016, 08:37 AM

I have tried roughly 6 different species of dwarfs from the common Flame to the less common Golden. Every single one eventually nipped at my coral. It is normally the fleshy LPS that were most commonly decimated.

SNAKEMANVET · 05/03/2016, 09:57 AM

I have a coral beauty and bi color angel and so far they haven't bother my corals or clams.All fish will have their own personality,so it's up to us if we want to take that chance.

snorvich · 05/03/2016, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Waters40

I have tried roughly 6 different species of dwarfs from the common Flame to the less common Golden. Every single one eventually nipped at my coral. It is normally the fleshy LPS that were most commonly decimated.

I agree.

ca1ore · 05/03/2016, 04:50 PM

I think if you have a dwarf angel long enough, and there's opportunity, they'll nip at stuff. Said another way, there are two kinds: nippers and soon to be nippers. Got to decide priorities. I love dwarf Angels, have four in my tank, and if they nip they nip. C'est la vie.

BigEZ77 · 05/03/2016, 06:08 PM

Does "fleshy" include frogspawn, duncans, hammers and torches? Or is it more reserved or corals like blastos, open brain, acans, scoly's, etc?

Timfish · 05/03/2016, 06:51 PM

Been keeping Coral Beautys and Flames as long as I've been maintaining reefs and never had a problem.

Code4 · 05/03/2016, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ca1ore

I think if you have a dwarf angel long enough, and there's opportunity, they'll nip at stuff. Said another way, there are two kinds: nippers and soon to be nippers. Got to decide priorities. I love dwarf Angels, have four in my tank, and if they nip they nip. C'est la vie.

Which four do you have? Would love to put some color in my tank. 140 gallon with a pyramid and copperband butterfly. Mostly yellow and white.

Shelley

ca1ore · 05/03/2016, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Code4

Which four do you have? Would love to put some color in my tank. 140 gallon with a pyramid and copperband butterfly. Mostly yellow and white.

Shelley

Three in the display (flame, potters , LemonPeel); one in qt (Eibli).

Turbosreef · 05/03/2016, 09:47 PM

They are not. Don't do it. Only corals they don't eat are neon like frogspawn or ricodera or polyps they will nip at all others

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Turbosreef · 05/03/2016, 09:48 PM

Open brain is in as well

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Jeff4777 · 05/03/2016, 10:31 PM

I've had luck with a potters... but yeah could be just a matter of time.

Half Vaped · 05/04/2016, 10:25 AM

I got a Potter's for about a year and I never saw it nip on any coral or clam in my tank.

Though not exactly dwarfs (but still fairly small), the angels in the Genicanthus genus are the best bet for reef-safe angels. Beautiful fish as well.

zoafarm · 05/04/2016, 10:44 AM

As many have said, the odds are very good they will nip at some point. The question is: Are you prepared to lose corals if it does? Angels typically leave SPS along; but LPS, softies, and zoas may be at risk.

Me personally...if I had to have the angel, I'd have another tank for my coral that may be at risk. Or I'd just accept that I'm going to lose some corals. I just put a Regal Angelfish in my tank yesterday knowing that it will probably trim some of my corals. If it gets to bad, I will change my coral to accommodate the Angel.

Dmorty217 · 05/04/2016, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ca1ore

I think if you have a dwarf angel long enough, and there's opportunity, they'll nip at stuff. Said another way, there are two kinds: nippers and soon to be nippers. Got to decide priorities. I love dwarf Angels, have four in my tank, and if they nip they nip. C'est la vie.

+1 some develop a taste for Zoas others, LPS. If no nipping is a must then a dwarf angel isn't for you. Also dwarf angels can be aggressive despite their smaller size

Code4 · 05/04/2016, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ca1ore

Three in the display (flame, potters , LemonPeel); one in qt (Eibli).

Thank you, and I do have the spare room in another tank if any corals must be moved.

Shelley

strummerfan · 05/04/2016, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by crabbydan

I am roaming the check out your fish purchase thread and come across a common theme that dwarf angels are not reef safe or reef safe with caution. My question is do Dwarf Angels gravitate to a specific kind of coral? Are zoas safer than Stoney corals vs things like hammers and torches?

Any thoughts on a suitable dwarf angel in a 105 gallon primarily zoa tank?

I never had a problem with dwarf angels and Zoas; however, acans, favias, dendrophylia are an entirely different story.

05/02/2016, 01:09 PM	#1
crabbydan Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 267	Dwarf Angels not reef safe I am roaming the check out your fish purchase thread and come across a common theme that dwarf angels are not reef safe or reef safe with caution. My question is do Dwarf Angels gravitate to a specific kind of coral? Are zoas safer than Stoney corals vs things like hammers and torches? Any thoughts on a suitable dwarf angel in a 105 gallon primarily zoa tank?

05/02/2016, 03:21 PM	#3
Bent I got nothin' Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The anals Posts: 6,420	Some say yes, some say no. Im in the "no" camp. __________________ Quitters never lose. [QUOTE=CStrickland]Who gets mad at a starfish?[/QUOTE] Current Tank Info: 75g DT, 30G refugium, 10g chaeto tank, 50g stock tank basement sump

05/02/2016, 04:02 PM	#5
Bent I got nothin' Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The anals Posts: 6,420	^ greatest avatar ever btw. __________________ Quitters never lose. [QUOTE=CStrickland]Who gets mad at a starfish?[/QUOTE] Current Tank Info: 75g DT, 30G refugium, 10g chaeto tank, 50g stock tank basement sump

05/03/2016, 05:35 AM	#7
Ron Reefman Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cape Coral, FL Posts: 10,431	I have 3 in 3 different tanks. One eats zoos and the other 2 appear to be reef safe. It's a total craps shoot. __________________ The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it. (Neil deGrasse Tyson) Visit my build thread http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2593017

05/03/2016, 08:28 AM	#8
Dkuhlmann Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 8,823	I have a Cherub angel in my reef and he doesn't touch any of my corals anymore. He use to nip at several different kinds and he wrecked havoc on a pocilipora but now he leaves them alone too. I do not have zoas or any other polyp type corals so can't help with that. I've got mostly LPS acans, Duncan's, blasto's, torches, frogspawn, hammers and a few other SPS and leathers. He's being a good fish for several months now, no nipping. __________________ Previous tanks: 200 gal fowlr 9" Emperor Angel and many different butterfly fish 4" maroon clown and several other fish, 50 gal sump, 40 gal mixed reef/fish mostly softies and LPS. Current Tank Info: 40b 750 gph 45 lbs lr, 2"-3" sand, 165w full spectrum dimable LED, 20 gal sump/refugium 30 lbs lr, Bak Pak 2 skimmer, 4" sock temp 79-80, sg 1.026, NH3 0, NO2 0, NO3 <10, ph 8.2, calc 400, mag 1300

05/02/2016, 01:39 PM	#2
toothybugs In Memoriam Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: The smallest county in Illinois Posts: 1,986	Look through this a bit: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1661152

05/02/2016, 03:48 PM	#4
GimpyFin Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,032	This is one of those topics you will definitely get mixed responses on. IMO, I'd say flame angels are one of the safer bets (I've had one for about 2.5 years and no issues at all with any corals), but it's still a gamble and everybody's experience will vary slighty. I have a mitratus butterfly currently in QT that I'm taking a gamble on, so hopefully he turns out to be a model citizen too.

05/03/2016, 08:37 AM	#9
Waters40 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 299	I have tried roughly 6 different species of dwarfs from the common Flame to the less common Golden. Every single one eventually nipped at my coral. It is normally the fleshy LPS that were most commonly decimated.

05/03/2016, 09:57 AM	#10
SNAKEMANVET PREMIUM MEMBER Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: TRENTON Tn Posts: 4,486	I have a coral beauty and bi color angel and so far they haven't bother my corals or clams.All fish will have their own personality,so it's up to us if we want to take that chance.

05/03/2016, 04:50 PM	#12
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	I think if you have a dwarf angel long enough, and there's opportunity, they'll nip at stuff. Said another way, there are two kinds: nippers and soon to be nippers. Got to decide priorities. I love dwarf Angels, have four in my tank, and if they nip they nip. C'est la vie. __________________ Simon Got back into the hobby ..... planned to keep it simple ..... yeah, right ..... clearly I need a new plan! Pet peeve: anemones host clowns; clowns do not host anemones! Current Tank Info: 450 Reef; 120 refugium; 60 Frag Tank, 30 Introduction tank; multiple QTs

05/03/2016, 06:08 PM	#13
BigEZ77 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Ottawa ON Canada Posts: 797	Does "fleshy" include frogspawn, duncans, hammers and torches? Or is it more reserved or corals like blastos, open brain, acans, scoly's, etc? __________________ Russell Banggai / Yellow Wrasse / Black Ice and Davinci Clowns / Flame Angel / Royal Gramma / Blue Chromis / LPS (dominated) / Monti's / Softies / BTA's Current Tank Info: 45G Rimless, Tunze 9004, Kessil A160WE, Gyre XF130, 50lbs rock, Reef Crystals, Phosguard in reactor, Matrix, Chemipure Blue and NP XL biopellets in sump

05/03/2016, 06:51 PM	#14
Timfish Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,985	Been keeping Coral Beautys and Flames as long as I've been maintaining reefs and never had a problem. __________________ "Our crystal clear aquaria come nowhere close to the nutrient loads that swirl around natural reefs" Charles Delbeek

05/03/2016, 09:47 PM	#17
Turbosreef Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 122	They are not. Don't do it. Only corals they don't eat are neon like frogspawn or ricodera or polyps they will nip at all others Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

05/03/2016, 09:48 PM	#18
Turbosreef Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 122	Open brain is in as well Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

05/03/2016, 10:31 PM	#19
Jeff4777 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 518	I've had luck with a potters... but yeah could be just a matter of time.

05/04/2016, 10:25 AM	#20
Half Vaped Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 401	I got a Potter's for about a year and I never saw it nip on any coral or clam in my tank. Though not exactly dwarfs (but still fairly small), the angels in the Genicanthus genus are the best bet for reef-safe angels. Beautiful fish as well.

05/04/2016, 10:44 AM	#21
zoafarm Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 306	As many have said, the odds are very good they will nip at some point. The question is: Are you prepared to lose corals if it does? Angels typically leave SPS along; but LPS, softies, and zoas may be at risk. Me personally...if I had to have the angel, I'd have another tank for my coral that may be at risk. Or I'd just accept that I'm going to lose some corals. I just put a Regal Angelfish in my tank yesterday knowing that it will probably trim some of my corals. If it gets to bad, I will change my coral to accommodate the Angel.