Getting new sump, need skimmer picked tho

Cyproz · 05/18/2016, 08:17 AM

So im having my lfs build me a new 20 long sump/refugium.
I am having them make as much in sump skimmer and refugium as possible, other then that keep it simple.

I need to pick a skimmer out first dont i so that they can design to fit.
I want to spend around 150 if possible and get an in sump skimmer. Any suggestions?

thegrun · 05/18/2016, 09:23 AM

What size is your display tank?

Cyproz · 05/18/2016, 10:01 AM

40 gal breeder

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SFish · 05/18/2016, 10:34 AM

A 20 long is pretty tight. Only 12" wide. Why not save money and have glass baffles cut and put them in your self? It cost me $20 for my sump/tank and $30 for the glass cut to size. Only a few $$$ for silicone. For a little over $50 you can make that sump.

SFish · 05/18/2016, 10:44 AM

Reef Octopus classic 150 space saver fits nice but it's in the $260 range.

Cyproz · 05/18/2016, 11:57 AM

yea i might make it myself. depends on if i can find a glass shop that will cut for me

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Xxero · 05/18/2016, 12:42 PM

My current tank is a 40 Breeder with a 20g long sump.

I have had an SC Aquariums-301 protein skimmer running in it for over a year, and I have been more than happy with it. It has a standard design and a very small footprint, and it performs like a champ!

Here's a link and GL!

http://www.scaquariums.com/product-p/sca-301.htm

JammyBirch · 05/18/2016, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Xxero

My current tank is a 40 Breeder with a 20g long sump.

I have had an SC Aquariums-301 protein skimmer running in it for over a year, and I have been more than happy with it. It has a standard design and a very small footprint, and it performs like a champ!

Here's a link and GL!

http://www.scaquariums.com/product-p/sca-301.htm

Beat me to it...I have the same skimmer...it's a horse. Very good.

Xxero · 05/18/2016, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JammyBirch

...It's a horse. Very good.

I agree!

SFish · 05/18/2016, 02:21 PM

Pretty sure most glass shops will cut glass

SFish · 05/18/2016, 02:23 PM

Here's my 20 long just to give u an idea. U can get about 3 equal chambers.

homer1475 · 05/18/2016, 03:08 PM

Your last set of baffles are backwards. You want them to be under, over under, not vice versus. The idea being that the water wont fall creating bubbles, which is exactly what your trying to stop with a bubble trap.

Have a look through this link, it explains it better then me.
http://gmacreef.com/reef-aquarium-sump-tank-design/

Cyproz · 05/18/2016, 03:16 PM

yea that was a skimmer i saw on amazon. was very interested. whats the footprint on those?

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Cyproz · 05/18/2016, 03:46 PM

maybe i put my sump in backwards ie pump on the other side

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SFish · 05/18/2016, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by homer1475

Your last set of baffles are backwards. You want them to be under, over under, not vice versus. The idea being that the water wont fall creating bubbles, which is exactly what your trying to stop with a bubble trap.

Have a look through this link, it explains it better then me.
http://gmacreef.com/reef-aquarium-sump-tank-design/

Pretty sure u can do it either way

homer1475 · 05/18/2016, 04:05 PM

You can do it either way, but the proper way is the opposite of what you have. If you read the link to GMAC reef it explains why you want it reverse of what you have.

We all do things slightly different, but I was just trying to point out a proiblem before it arises.

SFish · 05/18/2016, 04:12 PM

SFish · 05/18/2016, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyproz

maybe i put my sump in backwards ie pump on the other side

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I don't think id worry about it. How can water fall and make bubbles from something that is setting the hight of the water? Trying to say one way is the right way is a load of BS.

Marinenthusiast · 05/18/2016, 06:15 PM

Check out the bubble magus curves

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SFish · 05/18/2016, 08:13 PM

The article states to control bubble's you can

Lower your flow rate

Use a siphon base over

Place the skimmer far away from the return

Or minimize the distance the water has to fall

Then we get to the reason they want the baffles that way. They are afraid of debris getting trapped but this doesn't take into consideration the skimmer and the possible use of filter socks.

smeesh726 · 05/18/2016, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Marinenthusiast

Check out the bubble magus curves

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I have the curve 5 for my 40b and 20sump. Been working like a champ

Marinenthusiast · 05/18/2016, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by smeesh726

I have the curve 5 for my 40b and 20sump. Been working like a champ

I have a curve 5 on my 72 gallon w 20 gallon sump so i could imagine how its working on yours

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Xxero · 05/18/2016, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyproz

Whats the footprint on those?

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Skimmer Size: 4.25" L x 7" W x 17" H

My sump baffles are set 'over-under-over' also, and I have never seen the contrary. The water drop is less than an inch, and it cascades down the baffle.

SFish · 05/19/2016, 06:35 AM

99% of the designs are that way. That's how I knew right away his statement was wrong. When I was looking up sump designs before I made mine I remember coming across that sight and thinking that's different and then moving on. There are a lot of different ways to design a sump.

05/18/2016, 08:17 AM	#1
Cyproz Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 135	Getting new sump, need skimmer picked tho So im having my lfs build me a new 20 long sump/refugium. I am having them make as much in sump skimmer and refugium as possible, other then that keep it simple. I need to pick a skimmer out first dont i so that they can design to fit. I want to spend around 150 if possible and get an in sump skimmer. Any suggestions?

05/18/2016, 12:42 PM	#7
Xxero Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 1,054	My current tank is a 40 Breeder with a 20g long sump. I have had an SC Aquariums-301 protein skimmer running in it for over a year, and I have been more than happy with it. It has a standard design and a very small footprint, and it performs like a champ! Here's a link and GL! http://www.scaquariums.com/product-p/sca-301.htm __________________ "You Can Lead A Gift Horse To Water... But You Can't Make Him Look In Your Mouth." Current Tank Info: 65g Mixed Reef Display - 15g Macro Algae/Refugium - 40b Sump

05/18/2016, 03:08 PM	#12
homer1475 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 5,313	Your last set of baffles are backwards. You want them to be under, over under, not vice versus. The idea being that the water wont fall creating bubbles, which is exactly what your trying to stop with a bubble trap. Have a look through this link, it explains it better then me. http://gmacreef.com/reef-aquarium-sump-tank-design/ __________________ 80G SCA Build: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2560256 Originally posted by der_wille_zur_macht: "He's just taking his lunch to work"

05/18/2016, 04:05 PM	#16
homer1475 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 5,313	You can do it either way, but the proper way is the opposite of what you have. If you read the link to GMAC reef it explains why you want it reverse of what you have. We all do things slightly different, but I was just trying to point out a proiblem before it arises. __________________ 80G SCA Build: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2560256 Originally posted by der_wille_zur_macht: "He's just taking his lunch to work"

05/18/2016, 09:23 AM	#2
thegrun Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Garden Grove, Ca Posts: 17,023	What size is your display tank?

05/18/2016, 10:01 AM	#3
Cyproz Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 135	40 gal breeder Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk

05/18/2016, 10:34 AM	#4
SFish Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 2,062	A 20 long is pretty tight. Only 12" wide. Why not save money and have glass baffles cut and put them in your self? It cost me $20 for my sump/tank and $30 for the glass cut to size. Only a few $$$ for silicone. For a little over $50 you can make that sump.

05/18/2016, 10:44 AM	#5
SFish Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 2,062	Reef Octopus classic 150 space saver fits nice but it's in the $260 range.

05/18/2016, 11:57 AM	#6
Cyproz Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 135	yea i might make it myself. depends on if i can find a glass shop that will cut for me Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk

05/18/2016, 02:21 PM	#10
SFish Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 2,062	Pretty sure most glass shops will cut glass

05/18/2016, 02:23 PM	#11
SFish Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 2,062	Here's my 20 long just to give u an idea. U can get about 3 equal chambers.

05/18/2016, 03:16 PM	#13
Cyproz Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 135	yea that was a skimmer i saw on amazon. was very interested. whats the footprint on those? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk

05/18/2016, 03:46 PM	#14
Cyproz Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 135	maybe i put my sump in backwards ie pump on the other side Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk

05/18/2016, 04:12 PM	#17
SFish Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 2,062

05/18/2016, 06:15 PM	#19
Marinenthusiast Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 30	Check out the bubble magus curves Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk

05/18/2016, 08:13 PM	#20
SFish Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 2,062	The article states to control bubble's you can Lower your flow rate Use a siphon base over Place the skimmer far away from the return Or minimize the distance the water has to fall Then we get to the reason they want the baffles that way. They are afraid of debris getting trapped but this doesn't take into consideration the skimmer and the possible use of filter socks.

05/19/2016, 06:35 AM	#24
SFish Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 2,062	99% of the designs are that way. That's how I knew right away his statement was wrong. When I was looking up sump designs before I made mine I remember coming across that sight and thinking that's different and then moving on. There are a lot of different ways to design a sump.