Ammonia in RO/DI Storage

Darth_Tater · 06/16/2017, 12:45 PM

My RO/DI storage tank is currently in the same room as the cat's litter box. I'm getting ammonia in the water.

Here's my question: How far away does the litter box need to be? Can it be in the next room? The opposite end of the floor? If the circulation on that floor of the house is poor, can it even be on the same floor?

mcgyvr · 06/16/2017, 12:58 PM

Too many variables to provide an answer..

Trial and error time for you..

Or just clean the liter box more man..

I've had a liter box 15 feet from my tank for years and NEVER had a problem.. (or maybe thats the answer...15 feet

)

Are you sure its coming from that?

Have you tested water right out of the RO/DI system?

Darth_Tater · 06/16/2017, 01:20 PM

Interesting. Guess I'll do some experiments. Ammonia won't show up on a TDS meter, will it?

ClownsRCoo · 06/16/2017, 01:23 PM

Don't quote me on this since I just saw it mentioned somewhere and haven't fact checked this yet but it might give you something to research. I heard that if your water is treated with chlorinines and you don't use the proper type of carbon to remove them during your RO/DI filtration then that will be converted into ammonia.

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mcgyvr · 06/16/2017, 02:00 PM

And yes if its present in your freshly made water then its an indication that your filters and or membrane are spent..

I've been meaning to get an ammonia test kit as I just moved into a new house and I can smell the chlorine in my tap water straight from the faucet..
I'm not sure yet if they are using Chloramines though but am a bit worried as of late and want to be on the safe side before I do too many water changes and have problems..

daninflipflops · 06/16/2017, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ClownsRCoo

Don't quote me on this since I just saw it mentioned somewhere and haven't fact checked this yet but it might give you something to research. I heard that if your water is treated with chlorinines and you don't use the proper type of carbon to remove them during your RO/DI filtration then that will be converted into ammonia.

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Chloramine is made by combining ammonia and chlorine. when chloramine is chemically removed, ammonia is released and is not going to be removed by your RO membrane...well its more complicated with that as it relates to the pH of your water and the form of chloramine present (monochloramines vs dichloramines), but for the majority of situations it will be monochloramine. dichloramine can be removed by the RO membrane but thats more of the exception..

The DI resin will have to remove it.

It would also be helpful to know the concentration of ammonia you are seeing. its unlikely its from the cats, unless there is an opening that they are able to pee in. Its more likely that your house is closer to the point where chloramines are added to the system, resulting in higher concentration in your water. Your DI should be removing the ammonia, sounds like its time to be replaced

daninflipflops · 06/16/2017, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mcgyvr

And yes if its present in your freshly made water then its an indication that your filters and or membrane are spent..

I've been meaning to get an ammonia test kit as I just moved into a new house and I can smell the chlorine in my tap water straight from the faucet..
I'm not sure yet if they are using Chloramines though but am a bit worried as of late and want to be on the safe side before I do too many water changes and have problems..

you can find out easily by googling your water provider and yearly water report. it will state the type of disinfection. if you can smell chlorine, well technically you are smelling the byproduct of the chlorine disinfection, then they are most likely using free chlorine for disinfection which is much easier to remove with carbon and chloramine.

Darth_Tater · 06/16/2017, 04:31 PM

Well, an interesting discovery. Just tested straight tap, straight out of filter, and stored water. All tested negative for ammonia.

I know the stored water had it a couple weeks ago. I recently changed the litter box to one with a cover on it because the cat liked to go on the floor next to it. Maybe that made a difference?

daninflipflops · 06/16/2017, 05:50 PM

What do you mean straight out of filter..as in out of rodi?

Darth_Tater · 06/16/2017, 09:01 PM

Yes, freshly filtered water.

mcgyvr · 06/17/2017, 06:45 AM

And then test your stored water again..
That one test could have just been a fluke..

06/16/2017, 12:45 PM	#1
Darth_Tater Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Northern Utah Posts: 535	Ammonia in RO/DI Storage My RO/DI storage tank is currently in the same room as the cat's litter box. I'm getting ammonia in the water. Here's my question: How far away does the litter box need to be? Can it be in the next room? The opposite end of the floor? If the circulation on that floor of the house is poor, can it even be on the same floor? __________________ It's probably in your best interest to ignore most of my advice.

06/16/2017, 12:58 PM	#2
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	Too many variables to provide an answer.. Trial and error time for you.. Or just clean the liter box more man.. I've had a liter box 15 feet from my tank for years and NEVER had a problem.. (or maybe thats the answer...15 feet ) Are you sure its coming from that? Have you tested water right out of the RO/DI system? __________________ Who me?

06/16/2017, 01:20 PM	#3
Darth_Tater Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Northern Utah Posts: 535	Interesting. Guess I'll do some experiments. Ammonia won't show up on a TDS meter, will it? __________________ It's probably in your best interest to ignore most of my advice.

06/16/2017, 01:23 PM	#4
ClownsRCoo Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 813	Don't quote me on this since I just saw it mentioned somewhere and haven't fact checked this yet but it might give you something to research. I heard that if your water is treated with chlorinines and you don't use the proper type of carbon to remove them during your RO/DI filtration then that will be converted into ammonia. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ PlanetAquariums 171g (60x30x22) - RoyalExclusiv Dreambox - Bubble King Double Cone 200 Total system volume - 225g

06/16/2017, 02:00 PM	#5
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	And yes if its present in your freshly made water then its an indication that your filters and or membrane are spent.. I've been meaning to get an ammonia test kit as I just moved into a new house and I can smell the chlorine in my tap water straight from the faucet.. I'm not sure yet if they are using Chloramines though but am a bit worried as of late and want to be on the safe side before I do too many water changes and have problems.. __________________ Who me?

06/16/2017, 04:31 PM	#8
Darth_Tater Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Northern Utah Posts: 535	Well, an interesting discovery. Just tested straight tap, straight out of filter, and stored water. All tested negative for ammonia. I know the stored water had it a couple weeks ago. I recently changed the litter box to one with a cover on it because the cat liked to go on the floor next to it. Maybe that made a difference? __________________ It's probably in your best interest to ignore most of my advice.

06/16/2017, 05:50 PM	#9
daninflipflops In Memoriam Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 208	What do you mean straight out of filter..as in out of rodi?

06/16/2017, 09:01 PM	#10
Darth_Tater Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Northern Utah Posts: 535	Yes, freshly filtered water. __________________ It's probably in your best interest to ignore most of my advice.

06/17/2017, 06:45 AM	#11
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	And then test your stored water again.. That one test could have just been a fluke.. __________________ Who me?