TTM only?

hkgar · 08/22/2017, 01:38 PM

If I only do TTM for new fish and treat with PaziPro on the 2nd and 3rd transfers, what would be gained for additional QT time? What would take more than 2 weeks to present?

billdogg · 08/22/2017, 05:28 PM

I do pretty much exactly what you are suggesting. TTM, prazipro, then observe for a few weeks. Then into the DT they go. Never had an issue going that route.

I haven't used copper or formalin in over 20 years. IMHO, it's just too difficult to keep therapeutic levels of copper in a QT due to the many water changes required. (don't really care for Prime or Amquel either - they strike me as nothing more than bandaids) If I had to, I would use Chloroquinine Phoshate instead.

hth

sfdan · 08/22/2017, 05:46 PM

I can't answer your initial question, but I believe a 6 day gap for PraziPro is better than a 3 day gap so you are probably better off dosing the 1st/3rd or 2nd/4th transfers instead of the 2nd and 3rd. You need to make sure to give enough time for all the eggs to hatch so the PraziPro can kill them.

lagatbezan · 08/22/2017, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hkgar

If I only do TTM for new fish and treat with PaziPro on the 2nd and 3rd transfers, what would be gained for additional QT time? What would take more than 2 weeks to present?

I believe ttm only works for ich so the extra time would be to observe for other diseases like brook or velvet. Also prazipro have been ineffective lately for certain type of stubborn flukes so the extra time would give you some extra time to observe; but I do it exactly like you mentioned with the addition of a formalin dip.

d-man · 08/23/2017, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by lagatbezan

I believe ttm only works for ich so the extra time would be to observe for other diseases like brook or velvet. Also prazipro have been ineffective lately for certain type of stubborn flukes so the extra time would give you some extra time to observe; but I do it exactly like you mentioned with the addition of a formalin dip.

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d-man · 08/23/2017, 08:30 AM

On the few times I do ttm I will use general cure after the ttm process during the observation time for flukes and internal parasites

Typically I do formalin dip first(50mins) never had a problem
4 days of furan2 treatment
30 days of coppersafe
General cure in water after a week or so
General cure in food throughout whole treatment

I watch ammonia carefully. Copper is very easy to keep at levels as long as no water changes are made. If you preform WC then just take out a measured amount each time and add back the correct copper amount.

100g QT-30g WC. Add 30g back with amount of copper for 30g. If u have an ATO then copper stays constant always

WLachnit · 08/23/2017, 10:41 AM

Does formalin take care of brook or velvet?

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chitown tom · 08/23/2017, 10:59 AM

During the 2 weeks you can observe.

I did my first TTM and I must have cross contaminated something. 2 days before I was to release the powder blue into the DT it broke with ich.

Since this incident I have moved to 4 weeks of active medication (copper or CP) then 2 weeks of observation.

Do not rush the observation window it can save your DT. Nothing good comes from rushing in this hobby.

soulpatch · 08/23/2017, 11:23 AM

Agreed with above. I went through TTM and then into my tank once. The ensuing death knoll from velvet that ravaged my tank has taught me to observe for a while.

Not to mention the time gives me opportunity for fish to destress from the multiple moves in TTM, learn to recognize me a bit more, eat and fatten up, and a general watch for anthing else to sprout up that needs treated.

lagatbezan · 08/23/2017, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by WLachnit

Does formalin take care of brook or velvet?

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It does, but to eradicate it usually multiple ( I think 7-8 baths) or daily treatments for about 14 days are required depending on which one you are dealing with. Harsh treatment to do as just a precautionary.

kmbyrnes · 08/23/2017, 06:28 PM

TTM takes care of ich, but other issues can be suppressed by hyposalinity and or copper in the LFS water system.
I do TTM/Prazipro, then 2 weeks QT minimum.
If all is well, the fish heads to the DT. If any issues arise, I treat, then start a 4 week clock after the treatment is successful.

Heuristic · 08/23/2017, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chitown tom

I did my first TTM and I must have cross contaminated something. 2 days before I was to release the powder blue into the DT it broke with ich.

How were you doing TTM? Cleaning process? transfer process? etc

08/22/2017, 01:38 PM	#1
hkgar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dewitt MI Posts: 5,051	TTM only? If I only do TTM for new fish and treat with PaziPro on the 2nd and 3rd transfers, what would be gained for additional QT time? What would take more than 2 weeks to present? __________________ Gary 180 gallon, 40 gallon sump, 3 250 W MH + 4 80W ATI T5's, MTC MVX 36 Skimmer, Apex controller Aquamaxx T-3 CaRx Current Tank Info: A 2 Barred Rabbitfish, Red Head Salon, Yellow/Purple, McMaster Fairy, Possum, 2 Leopard Wrasses, Kole, & Atlantic Blue Tangs, 2 Percula Clown, 3 PJ and 1 Banggai Cardinalfish , Swallowtail, Bellus and Coral Beauty Angels

08/22/2017, 05:28 PM	#2
billdogg Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Grove City, Ohio Posts: 10,806	I do pretty much exactly what you are suggesting. TTM, prazipro, then observe for a few weeks. Then into the DT they go. Never had an issue going that route. I haven't used copper or formalin in over 20 years. IMHO, it's just too difficult to keep therapeutic levels of copper in a QT due to the many water changes required. (don't really care for Prime or Amquel either - they strike me as nothing more than bandaids) If I had to, I would use Chloroquinine Phoshate instead. hth __________________ I'll try to be nice if you try to be smarter! I can't help that I grow older, but you can't make me grow up! Current Tank Info: 120 mixed reef with 40b sump, RO 150 skimmer, AI Sol Blue x 2, and a 60g Frag Tank with 100g rubbermaid sump. 2 x Kessil A360w lights, BM curve 5 skimmer

08/23/2017, 10:41 AM	#7
WLachnit Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,722	Does formalin take care of brook or velvet? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ (1) 300g mixed reef (Starfire DT) + 100g Sump (2) 100g Softie tank (Starfire DT) My Build Thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263472

08/23/2017, 11:23 AM	#9
soulpatch Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 4,017	Agreed with above. I went through TTM and then into my tank once. The ensuing death knoll from velvet that ravaged my tank has taught me to observe for a while. Not to mention the time gives me opportunity for fish to destress from the multiple moves in TTM, learn to recognize me a bit more, eat and fatten up, and a general watch for anthing else to sprout up that needs treated. __________________ 150 SC tank build: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2550948 Some have bar tabs. I have a coral tab at my LFS. Life goals.

08/23/2017, 06:28 PM	#11
kmbyrnes Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 2,055	TTM takes care of ich, but other issues can be suppressed by hyposalinity and or copper in the LFS water system. I do TTM/Prazipro, then 2 weeks QT minimum. If all is well, the fish heads to the DT. If any issues arise, I treat, then start a 4 week clock after the treatment is successful. __________________ 125g Mixed Reef 5/26/2015; 350 Butterfly Dominated FOWLR 11/26/2015 - 11/17/20217 & 07/31/18 to ??? ; 100g Mixed Reef 11/16/2013 to 06/16/2017 Current Tank Info: Too small

08/22/2017, 05:46 PM	#3
sfdan Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: San Francisco Posts: 451	I can't answer your initial question, but I believe a 6 day gap for PraziPro is better than a 3 day gap so you are probably better off dosing the 1st/3rd or 2nd/4th transfers instead of the 2nd and 3rd. You need to make sure to give enough time for all the eggs to hatch so the PraziPro can kill them.

08/23/2017, 08:30 AM	#6
d-man Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: San Diego, ca Posts: 2,732	On the few times I do ttm I will use general cure after the ttm process during the observation time for flukes and internal parasites Typically I do formalin dip first(50mins) never had a problem 4 days of furan2 treatment 30 days of coppersafe General cure in water after a week or so General cure in food throughout whole treatment I watch ammonia carefully. Copper is very easy to keep at levels as long as no water changes are made. If you preform WC then just take out a measured amount each time and add back the correct copper amount. 100g QT-30g WC. Add 30g back with amount of copper for 30g. If u have an ATO then copper stays constant always

08/23/2017, 10:59 AM	#8
chitown tom Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Des Plaines Posts: 54	During the 2 weeks you can observe. I did my first TTM and I must have cross contaminated something. 2 days before I was to release the powder blue into the DT it broke with ich. Since this incident I have moved to 4 weeks of active medication (copper or CP) then 2 weeks of observation. Do not rush the observation window it can save your DT. Nothing good comes from rushing in this hobby.