Little Jerk!

kiMxD · 02/23/2018, 07:19 AM

Hello folks!

So this happen last night, I went to Petco to get some saltmix and I saw this little clownfish being fiercely attacked by it's tankmates and that broke my heart so much that I decide to buy him.

I have my DT fallow since 02/11/2018, and I have my fish in a hospital tank being treated with copper.

When I put the clownfish in the hospital tank, my Hawaiian Zebra Blenny was picking at him as well. So I decided to put him back in my smaller tank which was close by my DT. When I netted him, he jumped out of the net and landed in my DT

.

I am going to try to net him tonight after work.

My question is: did I just reset the 72 fallow days to get rid of ich or it should be fine (as long as I remove him from the DT tonight) ?

Thank y'all!

Bent · 02/23/2018, 07:41 AM

Yep. Sure did.

mitch91175 · 02/23/2018, 07:57 AM

He just saw more water in the DT and decided on his own, lol. For him the grass, um water, was definitely bluer on the other side.

nereefpat · 02/23/2018, 08:48 AM

The fallow period was not screwed up, sort of. Bear with me.

We do a fallow period so that all ich in the display cannot complete its life cycle. The ich parasite is being starved out.

The trophont (feeding) stage of ich takes 3-7 days. Ich in the tank couldn't attach to the clown, feed, and drop off in the short time you described.

There is a problem, however. You placed a non-quarantined fish in your display.

billdogg · 02/23/2018, 09:00 AM

And the clock starts.........................................................................

NOW!

hth

kiMxD · 02/23/2018, 09:13 AM

Haha, thanks guys for the funny replies.

Such a jerk this little clown, all I wanted to do was to save him

Well, I guess I will have to net him tonight and add two weeks to the fallow period...

Sk8r · 02/23/2018, 10:43 AM

Well, a kind heart is a good thing. Hopefully he'll be ok.

Uncle99 · 02/23/2018, 12:56 PM

Nothing indicating that the clown was infected however even if he was, the risk of the Ick being transferred from fish to tank is low, provided he is removed immediately, IMO, I would get him out and continue the count for 78 fallow period.....studies show a great percentage of safe periods of fallow can be 60, but not ALL cases, that's were the extra 18 days comes from for a 99% successful clean.

Tripod1404 · 02/23/2018, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle99

the risk of the Ick being transferred from fish to tank is low

Lol what??

How do you think ich is transferred then?

OP, I would restart it. Even using a net or adding snails from used in an un-quarantined tank can screw up the fallow period. Let alone alone a fish. 14 days is nothing compared to waiting 72 day and still having ich and doing it all over again. Think of it as 14 days vs ~150 days.

Plus never keep un-quarantined fish near your main DT. pathogens can move between tanks through aerosolized water droplets containing pathogens. Stuff like skimmers or airstones are very good at producing aerosolized water droplets .

crawlerman · 02/23/2018, 02:10 PM

most of the work is getting the fish out. Not worth the risk considering all of the work you already put in.

Bent · 02/23/2018, 02:16 PM

You have no idea what that clown was possibly carrying.

I would put him in QT by himself so he will not be picked on, and reset the fallow time.

kiMxD · 02/23/2018, 02:23 PM

Thank yall for your inputs. I will take the clown out tonight and will put him in my smaller 2. gallon tank as well.

Appreciate all of you, as always!

kiMxD · 02/23/2018, 02:24 PM

I meant, 2.5* gallons.

Uncle99 · 02/25/2018, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tripod1404

Lol what??

How do you think ich is transferred then?

OP, I would restart it. Even using a net or adding snails from used in an un-quarantined tank can screw up the fallow period. Let alone alone a fish. 14 days is nothing compared to waiting 72 day and still having ich and doing it all over again. Think of it as 14 days vs ~150 days.

Plus never keep un-quarantined fish near your main DT. pathogens can move between tanks through aerosolized water droplets containing pathogens. Stuff like skimmers or airstones are very good at producing aerosolized water droplets .

There was absolutely NO indication this fish carried anything.
So the risk of transmission is LOW. Your scenario means the fish was infected and the cysts were just ready to fall off and during the time in which the fish was in the tank they fell off and that those cysts lived and reproduce in a fallow tank beyond a sufficient time for the cycle to be in many cases broken.
YES, it is always safer to restart the counter, but the RISK in this case is in fact LOW.

Uncle99 · 02/25/2018, 07:24 AM

Lol

Bent · 02/25/2018, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle99

There was absolutely NO indication this fish carried anything.
So the risk of transmission is LOW. Your scenario means the fish was infected and the cysts were just ready to fall off and during the time in which the fish was in the tank they fell off and that those cysts lived and reproduce in a fallow tank beyond a sufficient time for the cycle to be in many cases broken.
YES, it is always safer to restart the counter, but the RISK in this case is in fact LOW.

I disagree.

Asymptotic does not mean low risk. At all.

02/23/2018, 07:19 AM	#1
kiMxD Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 149	Little Jerk! Hello folks! So this happen last night, I went to Petco to get some saltmix and I saw this little clownfish being fiercely attacked by it's tankmates and that broke my heart so much that I decide to buy him. I have my DT fallow since 02/11/2018, and I have my fish in a hospital tank being treated with copper. When I put the clownfish in the hospital tank, my Hawaiian Zebra Blenny was picking at him as well. So I decided to put him back in my smaller tank which was close by my DT. When I netted him, he jumped out of the net and landed in my DT . I am going to try to net him tonight after work. My question is: did I just reset the 72 fallow days to get rid of ich or it should be fine (as long as I remove him from the DT tonight) ? Thank y'all!

02/23/2018, 07:41 AM	#2
Bent I got nothin' Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The anals Posts: 6,420	Yep. Sure did. __________________ Quitters never lose. [QUOTE=CStrickland]Who gets mad at a starfish?[/QUOTE] Current Tank Info: 75g DT, 30G refugium, 10g chaeto tank, 50g stock tank basement sump

02/23/2018, 08:48 AM	#4
nereefpat Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Central Nebraska Posts: 3,190	The fallow period was not screwed up, sort of. Bear with me. We do a fallow period so that all ich in the display cannot complete its life cycle. The ich parasite is being starved out. The trophont (feeding) stage of ich takes 3-7 days. Ich in the tank couldn't attach to the clown, feed, and drop off in the short time you described. There is a problem, however. You placed a non-quarantined fish in your display. __________________ Pat Current Tank Info: 125 in-wall , 40b sump. 6 bulb T5. ASM G2 skimmer. LPS and leathers

02/23/2018, 09:00 AM	#5
billdogg Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Grove City, Ohio Posts: 10,806	And the clock starts......................................................................... NOW! hth __________________ I'll try to be nice if you try to be smarter! I can't help that I grow older, but you can't make me grow up! Current Tank Info: 120 mixed reef with 40b sump, RO 150 skimmer, AI Sol Blue x 2, and a 60g Frag Tank with 100g rubbermaid sump. 2 x Kessil A360w lights, BM curve 5 skimmer

02/23/2018, 10:43 AM	#7
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	Well, a kind heart is a good thing. Hopefully he'll be ok. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

02/23/2018, 07:57 AM	#3
mitch91175 Premium Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 303	He just saw more water in the DT and decided on his own, lol. For him the grass, um water, was definitely bluer on the other side.

02/23/2018, 09:13 AM	#6
kiMxD Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 149	Haha, thanks guys for the funny replies. Such a jerk this little clown, all I wanted to do was to save him Well, I guess I will have to net him tonight and add two weeks to the fallow period...

02/23/2018, 12:56 PM	#8
Uncle99 Crab Free Zone Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,906	Nothing indicating that the clown was infected however even if he was, the risk of the Ick being transferred from fish to tank is low, provided he is removed immediately, IMO, I would get him out and continue the count for 78 fallow period.....studies show a great percentage of safe periods of fallow can be 60, but not ALL cases, that's were the extra 18 days comes from for a 99% successful clean.

02/23/2018, 02:10 PM	#10
crawlerman Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 503	most of the work is getting the fish out. Not worth the risk considering all of the work you already put in.

02/23/2018, 02:16 PM	#11
Bent I got nothin' Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The anals Posts: 6,420	You have no idea what that clown was possibly carrying. I would put him in QT by himself so he will not be picked on, and reset the fallow time. __________________ Quitters never lose. [QUOTE=CStrickland]Who gets mad at a starfish?[/QUOTE] Current Tank Info: 75g DT, 30G refugium, 10g chaeto tank, 50g stock tank basement sump

02/23/2018, 02:23 PM	#12
kiMxD Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 149	Thank yall for your inputs. I will take the clown out tonight and will put him in my smaller 2. gallon tank as well. Appreciate all of you, as always!

02/23/2018, 02:24 PM	#13
kiMxD Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 149	I meant, 2.5* gallons.

02/25/2018, 07:24 AM	#15
Uncle99 Crab Free Zone Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,906	Lol