Clownfish/nem tank

LeJeune981 · 03/01/2018, 08:32 PM

I just picked up a deep blue 74 gallon cube, rimless reef ready tank.. 24x24x30

Unsure what I will do for sump/fuge atm

I'd like to make it a clownfish/ nem tank.. kinda like what I seen on a brs video... looked like 10 or 12 clowns and a bunch of btas in one tank...

But from what I have ready everyone says only one pair can live in the same tank.. unless it's BIG..

But the brs tank was pretty small..

Anyone out there do this?
Or does anyone have any sugestions?

I'm gonna start setting the tank up this weekend.. so it will be a while before I can put any nems in the tank.. so I want to Learn as much as I can beforehand..

Thank you all in advance

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Indymann99 · 03/01/2018, 08:54 PM

I have 3 clowns ( I know everybody says you cant... but they have been together for 5+ yrs).

In the video below the 3rd (black and white is in the upper left of the nem). Oh and he never gets picked on by the other 2. They seem to ignore him.

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LeJeune981 · 03/01/2018, 09:06 PM

What kind of nem is that? It's beautiful!!

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Indymann99 · 03/01/2018, 09:20 PM

Its actually 3 RBTA (Rose Bubble Tip). Split at 6mo, again at 6mo, stopped feeding and have had 3 for 3yrs (in the same spot - yeah team! )

Oh and the 2 larger clowns (orange and bw) spawn every month on the rocks around the nem. None of the fry ever make it but fun to see the clowns tend the eggs.

lapin · 03/02/2018, 04:55 AM

In a traditional tank that is longer than wider. The fish have more distance to get way if being chased. In a cube not so much.

LauraGreenImp · 03/02/2018, 11:33 AM

For 3yrs or so I had 5 midnight cs & one orange/white. The O/W was dominant, eventually paired w a M, laid eggs so frequently (immediately eaten by tangs) that she stressed & died.

I went thru 2 nems w this bunch, in both cases no bonding, nems died.

Hung onto 5 Ms a while longer, but last yr gave them to friend, and put in pair of Maroons + LTA. Only ONE ma bonded w LTA, and, after a month or so, other ma (The Murderer) savagely forced him out of LTA (over & over), then ripped him to pieces right in the front of DT. The poor nem sucked itself up & detached, just rolled around tank. Tried re-homing, no dice.

A buddy is about to split his rose BTA, and I’m gonna give The Murderer another shot. I have a sweet new sump, so hopefully water is better for nem. (tests much better)

Moral: Clowns can be polite AND savage, and don’t always bond w Anemone!

davocean · 03/02/2018, 08:24 PM

BRS followed the same example of a harem tank as Moberts, which they used juvenile clowns all from the same clutch, that is the key for long term success of a harem.

As to clowns accepting nems, the whole key here for assured hosting is match the clown to the type of anemone it would be found in the wild.

We see all the time comments like above posted, but when given a natural host anemone hosting happens pretty much immediately, and this is regardless of tank bred or wild caught clowns.

LauraGreenImp · 03/03/2018, 07:54 AM

This time I read clown/nem thread on R/C first. Supposedly rose bta + maroon can ‘work’, but I realize there are no guarantees, so here’s hoping!

I’ll be satisfied if both survive (MC is 2+yrs old) and are healthy & happy.

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davocean · 03/03/2018, 10:09 AM

Well, BTA is a natural host match to maroon, so it should go straight to it, and in fact maroons are so eager to take a host they will usually accept any nem given pretty quickly.

LeJeune981 · 03/04/2018, 10:58 AM

Ohhh.. I didn't know they all had to be from the same clutch... anyone know about how to order clowns like that?or know of any breeders?

I have 2 osc. Clowns in my 90 gallon lps/softie tank..
The lil male hosts my small rbta.. and the female hosts in my lta..

My goal for this new tank is a bunch of different colored btas... with a bunch of clowns..

Plus.. ckownfish tank is deff bachelor pad brownie points lol

LauraGreenImp · 03/04/2018, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davocean

Well, BTA is a natural host match to maroon, so it should go straight to it, and in fact maroons are so eager to take a host they will usually accept any nem given pretty quickly.

Thanks! V encouraging info. I don’t want to hijack OP’s thread, but why d’ya think The Murderer forced the other Maroon out of LTA (and then butchered him)? They’d been together in tank 4 mos, in LTA 2 mos - the violence was sudden. Just curious, would like to learn from my mistakes.

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LeJeune981 · 03/05/2018, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LauraGreenImp

Thanks! V encouraging info. I don’t want to hijack OP’s thread, but why d’ya think The Murderer forced the other Maroon out of LTA (and then butchered him)? They’d been together in tank 4 mos, in LTA 2 mos - the violence was sudden. Just curious, would like to learn from my mistakes.

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That will be 5 bucks for thread hijacking lol

I don't know an answer for your question... I'm sure someone here will know though..

I have read though that maroons are pretty aggressive

LauraGreenImp · 03/05/2018, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by LeJeune981

That will be 5 bucks for thread hijacking lol

We have a mixed reef tank: Do you *really* think I have 5 bucks?!?!? ha!

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Uncle99 · 03/05/2018, 09:44 AM

In its natural environment, clowns rarely leave their anemone and secure an area which approximates 1 m square. Maroons can be very agressive, whereas ocellaris are usually the tamest. When pairing, you need to have a known female (the largest) and either a known mature male (that's about half the size) or sexually immature (usually about half to three quarter inch). While there has been success in mixing, the risk of not pairing or worse, death through harassment can be of higher risk, the farther you drift from similarities.
The most successful pairing is ocellaris, large female, half the size male, or multiple sexually Imatures, same colour, same pattern. They love BTA's

LauraGreenImp · 03/05/2018, 10:11 AM

A few yrs ago, I had 1 ocellaris, 5 midnights (‘rescued’ from friend). 2 nems came & went - this was b4 I had a sump. The O mated w a M. They laid eggs many X, which the Tangs promptly ate. O died suddenly (stress from so much egg laying??), 5 Ms did fine. I re-homed them.

Then: 3 yrs ago, got pair of Maroon/Gold Bars. Both tiny, equal n size, mo in QT (20g) did fine. In DT, one got noticeably larger, still got along. 4mos w/o nem. Introduced LTA, they were in it within 2wks. 2mos in LTA, then, suddenly, larger C ran smaller C out of nem?! Sm C kept trying to go back to nem, no dice.

Then, lgC ripped smC to pieces right in front of DT. So fast, we couldn’t catch either one. THEN lta sucked itself up & died lingering death?! Tried to re-home, it didn’t revive in (much more X friend’s tank) either.

Now I just have The Murderer. He’s really thriving & has gotten much bigger these past 2 yrs. I don’t dare try to introduce another Clown, but I am on track to get a sweet RBTA I’m hoping he’ll bond w.

It’s an unsolved tank murder mystery. sigh

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Uncle99 · 03/05/2018, 10:22 AM

That's a Maroon!
A nasty female by the sounds of it!
There are cases where this works, but I have found its the exception, not the rule...

LeJeune981 · 03/05/2018, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LauraGreenImp

We have a mixed reef tank: Do you *really* think I have 5 bucks?!?!? ha!

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I've got a mixed reef as well.. exactly why I need to charge 5 bucks for any hijack lol

Your sig. States that you run a simplicity protein skimmer... I just got a simplicity dc120 this weekend... How do you like yours?

I haven't installed mine yet... but it looks like a jebao oral box skimmer renamed...pump and controller both look like jebao as well

LauraGreenImp · 03/05/2018, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeJeune981

I've got a mixed reef as well.. exactly why I need to charge 5 bucks for any hijack lol

Your sig. States that you run a simplicity protein skimmer... I just got a simplicity dc120 this weekend... How do you like yours?

I haven't installed mine yet... but it looks like a jebao oral box skimmer renamed...pump and controller both look like jebao as well

Well... you can *try* & get 5 bucks outta me, but since I just forked over $250 to friend today for enormous RBTA (his split), it might get messy lol

We like the simplicity, so far (4/5 mos) doing great, v easy to clean, imo!

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LauraGreenImp · 03/05/2018, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle99

That's a Maroon!
A nasty female by the sounds of it!
There are cases where this works, but I have found its the exception, not the rule...

So The Murderer is a she! All this time, I thought ‘he’ might not have transitioned to female, since the pair hadn’t started egg laying (although there was notable size difference). Either way, he/she is now a singleton 4evr.

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LeJeune981 · 03/06/2018, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LauraGreenImp

Well... you can *try* & get 5 bucks outta me, but since I just forked over $250 to friend today for enormous RBTA (his split), it might get messy lol

We like the simplicity, so far (4/5 mos) doing great, v easy to clean, imo!

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I can't wait till my rbta gets big...
It's still pretty small..and not red either... for whatever reason... it went from red at the store... then bleached.. now green with light purple tips... is post a pic.. but all my pictures went for a swim...with my phone.

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LauraGreenImp · 03/07/2018, 07:55 AM

I just lucked out. A friend’s rbta split a while back & I got a deal. Plus, I know it’s coming from a ‘clean’ tank.

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Crooked Reef · 03/07/2018, 08:42 AM

Maroon clowns will attack a buzz saw. Vicious things. She probably just got tired of him and there are no divorces in a reef tank.

LeJeune981 · 03/07/2018, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LauraGreenImp

I just lucked out. A friend’s rbta split a while back & I got a deal. Plus, I know it’s coming from a ‘clean’ tank.

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My buddy has a bunch of rainbow and rose nems in his tank... I'll be getting all mine from him when the tank is ready

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03/01/2018, 08:32 PM	#1
LeJeune981 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 747	Clownfish/nem tank I just picked up a deep blue 74 gallon cube, rimless reef ready tank.. 24x24x30 Unsure what I will do for sump/fuge atm I'd like to make it a clownfish/ nem tank.. kinda like what I seen on a brs video... looked like 10 or 12 clowns and a bunch of btas in one tank... But from what I have ready everyone says only one pair can live in the same tank.. unless it's BIG.. But the brs tank was pretty small.. Anyone out there do this? Or does anyone have any sugestions? I'm gonna start setting the tank up this weekend.. so it will be a while before I can put any nems in the tank.. so I want to Learn as much as I can beforehand.. Thank you all in advance Sent from my SM-S907VL using Tapatalk

03/01/2018, 08:54 PM	#2
Indymann99 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,447	I have 3 clowns ( I know everybody says you cant... but they have been together for 5+ yrs). In the video below the 3rd (black and white is in the upper left of the nem). Oh and he never gets picked on by the other 2. They seem to ignore him. ******** async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"> __________________ 120g DT 100lbs LR / 200 lbs LS, 45g fuge, VectraM1 Return, Herbie drain, 4x RW-8, 2x AI Hydra 26 w AWM, ASM G2, Apex controller, Apex BoB w floats ATO

03/01/2018, 09:20 PM	#4
Indymann99 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,447	Its actually 3 RBTA (Rose Bubble Tip). Split at 6mo, again at 6mo, stopped feeding and have had 3 for 3yrs (in the same spot - yeah team! ) Oh and the 2 larger clowns (orange and bw) spawn every month on the rocks around the nem. None of the fry ever make it but fun to see the clowns tend the eggs. __________________ 120g DT 100lbs LR / 200 lbs LS, 45g fuge, VectraM1 Return, Herbie drain, 4x RW-8, 2x AI Hydra 26 w AWM, ASM G2, Apex controller, Apex BoB w floats ATO

03/02/2018, 11:33 AM	#6
LauraGreenImp Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Nashville Posts: 131	For 3yrs or so I had 5 midnight cs & one orange/white. The O/W was dominant, eventually paired w a M, laid eggs so frequently (immediately eaten by tangs) that she stressed & died. I went thru 2 nems w this bunch, in both cases no bonding, nems died. Hung onto 5 Ms a while longer, but last yr gave them to friend, and put in pair of Maroons + LTA. Only ONE ma bonded w LTA, and, after a month or so, other ma (The Murderer) savagely forced him out of LTA (over & over), then ripped him to pieces right in the front of DT. The poor nem sucked itself up & detached, just rolled around tank. Tried re-homing, no dice. A buddy is about to split his rose BTA, and I’m gonna give The Murderer another shot. I have a sweet new sump, so hopefully water is better for nem. (tests much better) Moral: Clowns can be polite AND savage, and don’t always bond w Anemone! __________________ No glass box turns into a beautiful reef tank quickly. Current Tank Info: 150gT Mixed Reef - help me trap/remove/destroy my hateful Molly Miller Blennys!

03/02/2018, 08:24 PM	#7
davocean Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,655	BRS followed the same example of a harem tank as Moberts, which they used juvenile clowns all from the same clutch, that is the key for long term success of a harem. As to clowns accepting nems, the whole key here for assured hosting is match the clown to the type of anemone it would be found in the wild. We see all the time comments like above posted, but when given a natural host anemone hosting happens pretty much immediately, and this is regardless of tank bred or wild caught clowns. __________________ There's a fine line between owning your tank and your tank owning you! Current Tank Info: SCA 120g RR Starfire, Tunze silence 1073.02 return, 40g sump w/ fuge, SWC Extreme 160 cone skimmer,Geismann reflexx 4xT5, 2x Panorama Pro LED strips, Vortech MP40QD

03/01/2018, 09:06 PM	#3
LeJeune981 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 747	What kind of nem is that? It's beautiful!! Sent from my SM-S907VL using Tapatalk

03/02/2018, 04:55 AM	#5
lapin Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Austin Posts: 801	In a traditional tank that is longer than wider. The fish have more distance to get way if being chased. In a cube not so much.

03/03/2018, 07:54 AM	#8
LauraGreenImp Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Nashville Posts: 131	This time I read clown/nem thread on R/C first. Supposedly rose bta + maroon can ‘work’, but I realize there are no guarantees, so here’s hoping! I’ll be satisfied if both survive (MC is 2+yrs old) and are healthy & happy. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro __________________ No glass box turns into a beautiful reef tank quickly. Current Tank Info: 150gT Mixed Reef - help me trap/remove/destroy my hateful Molly Miller Blennys!

03/03/2018, 10:09 AM	#9
davocean Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,655	Well, BTA is a natural host match to maroon, so it should go straight to it, and in fact maroons are so eager to take a host they will usually accept any nem given pretty quickly. __________________ There's a fine line between owning your tank and your tank owning you! Current Tank Info: SCA 120g RR Starfire, Tunze silence 1073.02 return, 40g sump w/ fuge, SWC Extreme 160 cone skimmer,Geismann reflexx 4xT5, 2x Panorama Pro LED strips, Vortech MP40QD

03/04/2018, 10:58 AM	#10
LeJeune981 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 747	Ohhh.. I didn't know they all had to be from the same clutch... anyone know about how to order clowns like that?or know of any breeders? I have 2 osc. Clowns in my 90 gallon lps/softie tank.. The lil male hosts my small rbta.. and the female hosts in my lta.. My goal for this new tank is a bunch of different colored btas... with a bunch of clowns.. Plus.. ckownfish tank is deff bachelor pad brownie points lol

03/05/2018, 09:44 AM	#14
Uncle99 Crab Free Zone Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,906	In its natural environment, clowns rarely leave their anemone and secure an area which approximates 1 m square. Maroons can be very agressive, whereas ocellaris are usually the tamest. When pairing, you need to have a known female (the largest) and either a known mature male (that's about half the size) or sexually immature (usually about half to three quarter inch). While there has been success in mixing, the risk of not pairing or worse, death through harassment can be of higher risk, the farther you drift from similarities. The most successful pairing is ocellaris, large female, half the size male, or multiple sexually Imatures, same colour, same pattern. They love BTA's

03/05/2018, 10:11 AM	#15
LauraGreenImp Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Nashville Posts: 131	A few yrs ago, I had 1 ocellaris, 5 midnights (‘rescued’ from friend). 2 nems came & went - this was b4 I had a sump. The O mated w a M. They laid eggs many X, which the Tangs promptly ate. O died suddenly (stress from so much egg laying??), 5 Ms did fine. I re-homed them. Then: 3 yrs ago, got pair of Maroon/Gold Bars. Both tiny, equal n size, mo in QT (20g) did fine. In DT, one got noticeably larger, still got along. 4mos w/o nem. Introduced LTA, they were in it within 2wks. 2mos in LTA, then, suddenly, larger C ran smaller C out of nem?! Sm C kept trying to go back to nem, no dice. Then, lgC ripped smC to pieces right in front of DT. So fast, we couldn’t catch either one. THEN lta sucked itself up & died lingering death?! Tried to re-home, it didn’t revive in (much more X friend’s tank) either. Now I just have The Murderer. He’s really thriving & has gotten much bigger these past 2 yrs. I don’t dare try to introduce another Clown, but I am on track to get a sweet RBTA I’m hoping he’ll bond w. It’s an unsolved tank murder mystery. sigh Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro __________________ No glass box turns into a beautiful reef tank quickly. Current Tank Info: 150gT Mixed Reef - help me trap/remove/destroy my hateful Molly Miller Blennys!

03/05/2018, 10:22 AM	#16
Uncle99 Crab Free Zone Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,906	That's a Maroon! A nasty female by the sounds of it! There are cases where this works, but I have found its the exception, not the rule...

03/07/2018, 07:55 AM	#21
LauraGreenImp Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Nashville Posts: 131	I just lucked out. A friend’s rbta split a while back & I got a deal. Plus, I know it’s coming from a ‘clean’ tank. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro __________________ No glass box turns into a beautiful reef tank quickly. Current Tank Info: 150gT Mixed Reef - help me trap/remove/destroy my hateful Molly Miller Blennys!

03/07/2018, 08:42 AM	#22
Crooked Reef Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,765	Maroon clowns will attack a buzz saw. Vicious things. She probably just got tired of him and there are no divorces in a reef tank. __________________ “In wine there is wisdom; in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria.” - Benjamin Franklin Current Tank Info: 90 gallon reef. Biocube 29 lionfish tank. Mantis tank.