Marine ick on tang

timster · 03/30/2018, 10:09 AM

So I just brought home some coral frags, a tang, a couple snails, a red shrimp, and a hitchhiking red bristle starfish. They were all fine for the last week. This morning the tang looks like it has ick I would assume. Would should I do with him? They are in a cycled quarantine tank, 20 gallons with lots of pvc hiding spots, hob filter with a dim light. [IMG]http://i68.*******.com/5zje4y.jpg[/IMG]

bertoni · 03/30/2018, 10:39 PM

There's a sticky thread with more information, but the tank tank transfer method or copper treatment both work.

billdogg · 03/31/2018, 06:05 AM

Because the inverts (everything except the tang) will be killed by the use of copper, TTM is going to be your best choice. Although none of the inverts are carriers of the Ich parasite, if they are, indeed, in the same water, you have to assume that ich could be transferred with them in the water.

hth

timster · 03/31/2018, 07:26 AM

I did see the ttm method, but would that cause excess stress on the tang? I already have to stick the food in front of him for him to eat. And yes, no medicine because of shrimp. The tang was eating fine at the store.

timster · 03/31/2018, 07:36 AM

Also, could the coral be fresh water dipped for 4 seconds to kill the ick and add to display tank? I do not have sufficient lighting for them in qt. I was going to do fresh water, bayer dip, two rinses in salt water from dt.

Uncle99 · 03/31/2018, 10:56 AM

Only fish get ick not others so no worries here but QT is now infected, so this QT cycle is lost

Whether TTM, Hypo or Copper, all work but copper is more risky, all ways kill if not done to specs, TTM, is used widely, not so stressful

Copper if used correctly, can be very effective, to me it’s a hobbyist choice of what they can do

thegrun · 03/31/2018, 11:32 AM

A freshwater dip will not kill the Ich, it burrows into the fish and some will survive the dip.

timster · 03/31/2018, 12:11 PM

I wasn’t going to do the dip to fish or introverts, to much stress. But was hoping it would work for corals.

Uncle99 · 03/31/2018, 02:05 PM

In 7-9 days If you bring down salinity too 1.009, and then they exlpode and die.
Hypo is great if you can maintain temp, low salinity and small water changes to keep amonia low. The good thing I found out by doing hypo is that when fish have Ick, they have trouble breathing. With lower salinity comes higher oxygen and it becomes "easier" for them to breath. This I found a big plus when treating for Ick, as the fish is less lathargic, and more ready to eat. Feed high protein tiny pellets daily and suck up any not taken, leave a few in the bottom. Take out 10%, add 10% 1.009 for three weeks, but the last week increase by no more than .002 until you are back to DT level.
Least stress better ability to breath, I like this method most.

I copper when the specimum, is covered head to tail.......just my take

nereefpat · 04/01/2018, 10:54 AM

I would leave the corals in the qt. They will have to stay there for about 72 days.

Then get a different setup to do ttm on the tang.

hkgar · 04/01/2018, 02:40 PM

There are ONLY 3 methods to cure (eliminate) Ick. TTM, Hyposalinity and copper. Read up and make a choice. We cannot choose for you. The QT now needs 72 (at least) days fishless.

03/30/2018, 10:09 AM	#1
timster Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 12	Marine ick on tang So I just brought home some coral frags, a tang, a couple snails, a red shrimp, and a hitchhiking red bristle starfish. They were all fine for the last week. This morning the tang looks like it has ick I would assume. Would should I do with him? They are in a cycled quarantine tank, 20 gallons with lots of pvc hiding spots, hob filter with a dim light. [IMG]http://i68.*******.com/5zje4y.jpg[/IMG]

03/30/2018, 10:39 PM	#2
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	There's a sticky thread with more information, but the tank tank transfer method or copper treatment both work. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

03/31/2018, 06:05 AM	#3
billdogg Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Grove City, Ohio Posts: 10,806	Because the inverts (everything except the tang) will be killed by the use of copper, TTM is going to be your best choice. Although none of the inverts are carriers of the Ich parasite, if they are, indeed, in the same water, you have to assume that ich could be transferred with them in the water. hth __________________ I'll try to be nice if you try to be smarter! I can't help that I grow older, but you can't make me grow up! Current Tank Info: 120 mixed reef with 40b sump, RO 150 skimmer, AI Sol Blue x 2, and a 60g Frag Tank with 100g rubbermaid sump. 2 x Kessil A360w lights, BM curve 5 skimmer

04/01/2018, 10:54 AM	#10
nereefpat Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Central Nebraska Posts: 3,190	I would leave the corals in the qt. They will have to stay there for about 72 days. Then get a different setup to do ttm on the tang. __________________ Pat Current Tank Info: 125 in-wall , 40b sump. 6 bulb T5. ASM G2 skimmer. LPS and leathers

04/01/2018, 02:40 PM	#11
hkgar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dewitt MI Posts: 5,051	There are ONLY 3 methods to cure (eliminate) Ick. TTM, Hyposalinity and copper. Read up and make a choice. We cannot choose for you. The QT now needs 72 (at least) days fishless. __________________ Gary 180 gallon, 40 gallon sump, 3 250 W MH + 4 80W ATI T5's, MTC MVX 36 Skimmer, Apex controller Aquamaxx T-3 CaRx Current Tank Info: A 2 Barred Rabbitfish, Red Head Salon, Yellow/Purple, McMaster Fairy, Possum, 2 Leopard Wrasses, Kole, & Atlantic Blue Tangs, 2 Percula Clown, 3 PJ and 1 Banggai Cardinalfish , Swallowtail, Bellus and Coral Beauty Angels

03/31/2018, 07:26 AM	#4
timster Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 12	I did see the ttm method, but would that cause excess stress on the tang? I already have to stick the food in front of him for him to eat. And yes, no medicine because of shrimp. The tang was eating fine at the store.

03/31/2018, 07:36 AM	#5
timster Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 12	Also, could the coral be fresh water dipped for 4 seconds to kill the ick and add to display tank? I do not have sufficient lighting for them in qt. I was going to do fresh water, bayer dip, two rinses in salt water from dt.

03/31/2018, 10:56 AM	#6
Uncle99 Crab Free Zone Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,906	Only fish get ick not others so no worries here but QT is now infected, so this QT cycle is lost Whether TTM, Hypo or Copper, all work but copper is more risky, all ways kill if not done to specs, TTM, is used widely, not so stressful Copper if used correctly, can be very effective, to me it’s a hobbyist choice of what they can do

03/31/2018, 11:32 AM	#7
thegrun Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Garden Grove, Ca Posts: 17,023	A freshwater dip will not kill the Ich, it burrows into the fish and some will survive the dip.

03/31/2018, 12:11 PM	#8
timster Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 12	I wasn’t going to do the dip to fish or introverts, to much stress. But was hoping it would work for corals.

03/31/2018, 02:05 PM	#9
Uncle99 Crab Free Zone Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,906	In 7-9 days If you bring down salinity too 1.009, and then they exlpode and die. Hypo is great if you can maintain temp, low salinity and small water changes to keep amonia low. The good thing I found out by doing hypo is that when fish have Ick, they have trouble breathing. With lower salinity comes higher oxygen and it becomes "easier" for them to breath. This I found a big plus when treating for Ick, as the fish is less lathargic, and more ready to eat. Feed high protein tiny pellets daily and suck up any not taken, leave a few in the bottom. Take out 10%, add 10% 1.009 for three weeks, but the last week increase by no more than .002 until you are back to DT level. Least stress better ability to breath, I like this method most. I copper when the specimum, is covered head to tail.......just my take