A sign of the end?

[running scott]

Today I have been shopping our sponsors livestock sights for Fourth of July sales. I don’t remember ever seeing so many corals and fish “out of stock” on these sights ever before. Maybe aquacultured specimens will save us, but at a cost that is just high enough to force most out of the hobby.

[Vinny Kreyling]

Well don't forget, Hawaii & Fiji are closed right now.

[Kevin Guthrie]

Our LFS does not order livestock before a holiday because shipments get delayed for a day or two, not good for the livestock. Same with extreme heat.

[Pslreefer]

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!


Do a search on here, you will see the same type of nonsense threads 7 -10 years ago...

And guess what? Nothings really changed much.

[Pslreefer]

In addition, any of the larger vendors have plenty in stock. wwc, aqua sd, boom corals, battle corals, unique corals, etc... Take your pick

[shaginwagon13]

Originally Posted by running scott

Today I have been shopping our sponsors livestock sights for Fourth of July sales. I don’t remember ever seeing so many corals and fish “out of stock” on these sights ever before. Maybe aquacultured specimens will save us, but at a cost that is just high enough to force most out of the hobby.

They don't order/ship around holidays. Orders get held up all the time which means lots of lost fish/corals.

Hawaii is closed right now and I can still find Yellow tangs around my area and our selection is VASTLY worse then what you guys are able to buy/sell down there in the US.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

[marinelife]

I noticed a lot of stores I have gone to lately have had yellow tangs and a lot of them. I thought Hawaii was banned? Are they are getting them from someplace else?

[joshky]

I believe Hawaiian fish can still be caught for the trade if you have a commercial license, not sure how lucrative that is though.

[heritage]

Aren't they tank raising yellow tangs now ?

[saf1]

I wouldn't say the sky is falling but I will say things are a bit odd right now. And when some fish do come in they are stupidly priced. Not sure what is going to correct what at the moment. I know I have personally looking for a trio of Millesteed Butterflies but not found a decent source. That may have to wait till winter now due to weather (heat) and lack of a QT being set up.

Anyway waiting for dollars and sense to kick in - not knee jerk reactions to make a huge ROI off of fear.

[shaginwagon13]

Originally Posted by saf1

I wouldn't say the sky is falling but I will say things are a bit odd right now. And when some fish do come in they are stupidly priced. Not sure what is going to correct what at the moment. I know I have personally looking for a trio of Millesteed Butterflies but not found a decent source. That may have to wait till winter now due to weather (heat) and lack of a QT being set up.

Anyway waiting for dollars and sense to kick in - not knee jerk reactions to make a huge ROI off of fear.

You think you guys have it bad? You should see pricing up here for what is most of the time 'B' and 'C' grade corals and fish.

I saw an Achilles Tangs going for $1,200 + taxes up here last week. And no it was not a show size fish.

[joshky]

Originally Posted by shaginwagon13

You think you guys have it bad? You should see pricing up here for what is most of the time 'B' and 'C' grade corals and fish.

I saw an Achilles Tangs going for $1,200 + taxes up here last week. And no it was not a show size fish.

At that price it's probably worth getting permits and crossing the border, but I don't know all that entails with that so maybe not? That's pretty crazy.

[shaginwagon13]

Originally Posted by joshky

At that price it's probably worth getting permits and crossing the border, but I don't know all that entails with that so maybe not? That's pretty crazy.

Its absolutely worth it. From my understanding you do not need a CITES permit for fish, inverts and soft corals as long as they do not come on a base (Soft corals cannot come on a plug or piece of rock) and snails (from my understanding) cannot have Coraline on their shells. Whether a boarder agent will be this stingy about some snails is another question.

For SPS, clams and LR you need a CITES import permit which you can get. Only problem is now with a lot of the aquacultured SPS and clams being bred in the US, its getting more difficult to identify exactly what species and location the mother colony came from in the wild.... which essentially means you cannot import as that is one of the things required for CITES approval.

A TON of breeders and wholesalers in the US won't ship to Canada simply because its too much effort and run-around to get CITES approval, not to mention next day air when you cross the border is exponentially more expensive. Plus there are duties, taxes, ect. before your shipment can clear customs.

The above is my understanding, If anyone plans to import or cross the boarder they should do their own research...

[running scott]

I try to only buy from RC sponsors when buying livestock online. I have never so many corals “out of stock” before. It’s funny how I said that “from RC sponsors” in my original post, then someone proceeds to tell me all about other LFS that are not sponsors. Reading comprehension?

[shaginwagon13]

Originally Posted by running scott

I try to only buy from RC sponsors when buying livestock online. I have never so many corals “out of stock” before. It’s funny how I said that “from RC sponsors” in my original post, then someone proceeds to tell me all about other LFS that are not sponsors. Reading comprehension?

There are a lot of online stores that have stock that's out of stock. Maybe they assumed you were just speaking about LFS and online suppliers in general.

[ca1ore]

Also, Summer is slower .....