Dinoflagellates or cyano or diatom?

MuscleFish · 07/13/2018, 07:47 PM

Can somebody help me to ID this thing, I thought it was diatom, but reduce phosphates, silicates and nitrates don't help at all. Only manual removal helps a little...

My tank:
Fluval 13.5G
Coral Pro Salt
1.025
Chaeto in refugium
Light 12h a day (stock light from Fluval)
Flow 240+425 GPH
Mechanical filtration, carbon. I used vodka dosing (1ml daily) before.

Any help? Any advice?

Thanks

Cancun · 07/13/2018, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuscleFish

Can somebody help me to ID this thing, I thought it was diatom, but reduce phosphates, silicates and nitrates don't help at all. Only manual removal helps a little...

My tank:
Fluval 13.5G
Coral Pro Salt
1.025
Chaeto in refugium
Light 12h a day (stock light from Fluval)
Flow 240+425 GPH
Mechanical filtration, carbon. I used vodka dosing (1ml daily) before.

Any help? Any advice?

Thanks

Hi there....looks like cyanobacteria to me..... especially in that third pic. Have you tried several days with a total Black out....no lights etc? If that doesn't work I really like Chemiclean.

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Conchman · 07/13/2018, 11:11 PM

Little more information. Actual current test results. Showing 0 or low nitrates means nada. It’s feeding off it. I’m seeing more Dino/Diatom, red stuff looks like cyno, never seen it grow on algae like that. I would go dark, and get ready for a run of small consistant w/c. Every other day, vac the gravel. Good luck...

mcgyvr · 07/14/2018, 07:08 AM

Thats dinos..

stingythingy45 · 07/14/2018, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mcgyvr

Thats dinos..

Agree.
Cyano will roll up like a carpet if blown by a power head. Long stringy snot looking stuff.
That looks to be dinos.
Need to know your alk and ph.
Do you have a good skimmer?

LeJeune981 · 07/14/2018, 10:58 AM

Deff dinos..
Only way I was able to beat them was a lot of syponing and water changes..

They are survivor experts..i do believe that I read that dinos have the ability to change the water chemistry to better meet their needs

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MuscleFish · 07/14/2018, 10:16 PM

So, how to beat these dinos?

Do I need a skimmer?

Do I need to reduce phos and nitrates?

Thanks

stingythingy45 · 07/15/2018, 01:20 PM

I have read that keeping both alk and PH high.
Skimmers always help imho, raised the Oxy levels driving PH up.
Do a lot of searches and pick the best route(not the easiest one).

monkeysee1 · 07/15/2018, 02:49 PM

Those are DEFINITELY Dino's. Get some Rowa Phos and a reactor to put it in. THAT will take care of the problem for you.

MuscleFish · 07/15/2018, 08:54 PM

So, I start my battle:

Put the Fluval PS2 skimmer in the middle chamber

Chaeto grows good in the first chamber

Shiphon as much as I can

Use PhosGuard and carbon

Vodka dosing (1ml for 13.5G)

I also try a*blackout and 1ml of*Hydrogen Peroxide daily.

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeysee1

Those are DEFINITELY Dino's. Get some Rowa Phos and a reactor to put it in. THAT will take care of the problem for you.

I tried PhosGuard without any effect...

Kmack0415 · 07/15/2018, 09:50 PM

How long has the tank been running?

MuscleFish · 07/16/2018, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kmack0415

How long has the tank been running?

1.5y

So, I'll stop water changes and vodka dosing and add microbubbles filtration at night.

Uncle99 · 07/16/2018, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuscleFish

Use PhosGuard and carbon

I tried PhosGuard without any effect...

PhosGuard will not work, it is cheap and does little.

Go with ROWA, expensive, but absolutely reduces phosphates to undetectable quickly.
Comes with media bag, 100g SKU is the smallest and would do your size well.

MuscleFish · 07/16/2018, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle99

PhosGuard will not work, it is cheap and does little.

Go with ROWA, expensive, but absolutely reduces phosphates to undetectable quickly.
Comes with media bag, 100g SKU is the smallest and would do your size well.

It will work without reactor, in filter chamber?

Thanks

Uncle99 · 07/16/2018, 08:14 PM

It actually works best when sandwiched between filter media.
It also can be used in a reactor, but the tumbling speed must be very gently.

I put my "bag" in a simple HOB filter, sponge, then ROWA, then carbon on top.
I use 50g of the 100g jar (stuff comes wet). I am not sure how long it will last, we are only in week two, but I would guess, a month at most! Testing weekly for phosphates to determine this.

I think this is a "get what you pay for" thing, the absorption rate of phosphate is much better, had a bit of algae, just melted away in first week of use.

Can see no ill effects to any inhabitants, in fact, I thought my corals seemed more inflated than usual.

I will buy this product again...Got this tip from a guy in England, 650 litres and wow, absolutely pristine.

Troublekitty · 07/17/2018, 12:35 AM

I would put my money on Dino. I had it. I was able to beat it with a 3 day black to knock it back a bit then dose Dino X. It's good stuff.

MuscleFish · 07/20/2018, 06:18 AM

Hydrogen Peroxide 3% 1ml for 10g water is OK (twice daily) or I need more?

rjjr1963 · 07/20/2018, 12:00 PM

UV filter killed my dinos in 2 days. 25w in a 40 gallon tank.

MuscleFish · 07/20/2018, 09:56 PM

I ordered a 40-1000x microscope to identify which type of dino it is.

rjjr1963 · 07/21/2018, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuscleFish

I ordered a 40-1000x microscope to identify which type of dino it is.

It's important to watch how they move around. The dino in the upper right of my video is moving around a centerpoint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o2alraNmsY

07/14/2018, 07:08 AM	#4
mcgyvr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 20,050	Thats dinos.. __________________ Who me?

07/15/2018, 01:20 PM	#8
stingythingy45 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: MA Posts: 3,296	I have read that keeping both alk and PH high. Skimmers always help imho, raised the Oxy levels driving PH up. Do a lot of searches and pick the best route(not the easiest one). __________________ Bob Current Tank Info: 90 gallon,mixed Reef,2-250 watt Optix 3 pendants(Phoenix 14K)2-54 watt T5 Super actnics ,ASM G-2 Gate/recirc mods,70 gal. basement sump,20L ref

07/15/2018, 02:49 PM	#9
monkeysee1 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: MERRIMACK NH Posts: 423	Those are DEFINITELY Dino's. Get some Rowa Phos and a reactor to put it in. THAT will take care of the problem for you. __________________ Your "fair share" is not in my wallet; it's in my fish tank!! Current tank info: 90 Gallon saltwater 10 fish with a few inverts; NO CORALS! Tried to go reef; didn't work out so hot; FOWLR's for me!

07/20/2018, 12:00 PM	#18
rjjr1963 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Nebraska/Missouri Posts: 770	UV filter killed my dinos in 2 days. 25w in a 40 gallon tank. __________________ 72x24x16 115 gallon under construction Current Tank Info: 40 gallon reef

07/13/2018, 11:11 PM	#3
Conchman Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 56	Little more information. Actual current test results. Showing 0 or low nitrates means nada. It’s feeding off it. I’m seeing more Dino/Diatom, red stuff looks like cyno, never seen it grow on algae like that. I would go dark, and get ready for a run of small consistant w/c. Every other day, vac the gravel. Good luck...

07/14/2018, 10:58 AM	#6
LeJeune981 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 747	Deff dinos.. Only way I was able to beat them was a lot of syponing and water changes.. They are survivor experts..i do believe that I read that dinos have the ability to change the water chemistry to better meet their needs Sent from my SM-G930VL using Tapatalk

07/14/2018, 10:16 PM	#7
MuscleFish Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 84	So, how to beat these dinos? Do I need a skimmer? Do I need to reduce phos and nitrates? Thanks

07/15/2018, 09:50 PM	#11
Kmack0415 Registered Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Imperial, mo Posts: 95	How long has the tank been running?

07/16/2018, 08:14 PM	#15
Uncle99 Crab Free Zone Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,906	It actually works best when sandwiched between filter media. It also can be used in a reactor, but the tumbling speed must be very gently. I put my "bag" in a simple HOB filter, sponge, then ROWA, then carbon on top. I use 50g of the 100g jar (stuff comes wet). I am not sure how long it will last, we are only in week two, but I would guess, a month at most! Testing weekly for phosphates to determine this. I think this is a "get what you pay for" thing, the absorption rate of phosphate is much better, had a bit of algae, just melted away in first week of use. Can see no ill effects to any inhabitants, in fact, I thought my corals seemed more inflated than usual. I will buy this product again...Got this tip from a guy in England, 650 litres and wow, absolutely pristine.

07/17/2018, 12:35 AM	#16
Troublekitty Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Jacksonville Fl Posts: 108	I would put my money on Dino. I had it. I was able to beat it with a 3 day black to knock it back a bit then dose Dino X. It's good stuff.

07/20/2018, 06:18 AM	#17
MuscleFish Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 84	Hydrogen Peroxide 3% 1ml for 10g water is OK (twice daily) or I need more?

07/20/2018, 09:56 PM	#19
MuscleFish Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 84	I ordered a 40-1000x microscope to identify which type of dino it is.