Klir 4" filter

tletourneau · 08/27/2018, 08:57 AM

I picked up a Klir Di-4 this weekend at New Wave Aquaria in MN. I wanted to get one while they were in stock in case I couldn't later. They do not have the Red Sea adapter out yet but I'll give it a few weeks. If it doesn't come out it doesn't look like it would be hard to fabricate.

tletourneau · 08/27/2018, 09:57 AM

Pictures:

pecan2phat · 08/28/2018, 06:45 AM

Nice, you must be one of the 1st.
Still waiting for my pre-order from the 14th.

wishntoboutside · 08/28/2018, 08:49 PM

is it up an running yet?

KnightMetro · 08/29/2018, 01:35 PM

I have been out of reefing for a few years and came back to see these coming out.

This is the one that seems to impress me the most. My new custom tank will have a Shadow overflow, so I am interested to see someone use this with that adapter Klir is coming out with for DIY sumps.

Also, isn't the replacement rolls only $10?

pecan2phat · 08/29/2018, 09:39 PM

Right off the intro, the replacement rolls jumped to $13.99.
40% increase from what was stated at RAP.

tletourneau · 08/30/2018, 10:41 AM

Sorry for the late reply, I haven't received post notifications for some reason. I haven't set it up yet, it needs an adapter for Red Sea sumps and I had hoped they would be released soon however I heard a rumor that the Red Sea adapter will not be released until November. I have asked Klir on their FB page and they are not giving a release date on the adapter. My current plan, unless I find out the adapter will be released soon, is to build my own adapter with acrylic. I would prefer the Klir adapter but I do not want to wait 1+ month to use the filter.

I also need to determine my flow to see if I need two of the filters in the master/slave configuration. To that end I am building a manifold and installing a 1" flow meter to connect to the FMM on my Apex. I have an Octo Varios-6 rated for 1720GPH running at 80% for about 1376GPH but the Red Sea Reefer return is reduced to 5/8" so I am not sure what my flow is. 3/4" at low pressure can flow around 660GPH at 6 feet per second but at 12 f/s the flow goes to about 1,410GPH. So what I'm getting at is the Klir Di-4 is rated for 750GPH per filter so I may need two.

I noticed the increase in the replacement fleece roll also. Although it is disappointing it's not the first time I've seen proposed pre-release pricing change post release. If it helps keep the tank clean, lasts a while, and makes maintenance easier I don't have a ploblem with $13.99 a roll.

I'll keep an eye on the thread and update it as I go along.

jbyrne · 08/30/2018, 10:56 AM

I received my Klir today. I'm in Canada. In my case the Klir fit perfectly into my filter sock port. The package included two white acrylic adapters for two different sizes of openings. The unit itself has one that can be removed if needed plus there are two other sizes. Did yours include those? I wonder if one of them fits the redsea sock ports.

tletourneau · 08/30/2018, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbyrne

I received my Klir today. I'm in Canada. In my case the Klir fit perfectly into my filter sock port. The package included two white acrylic adapters for two different sizes of openings. The unit itself has one that can be removed if needed plus there are two other sizes. Did yours include those? I wonder if one of them fits the redsea sock ports.

Thanks for the reply! I did receive those adapters however the issue with Red Sea sumps (at least mine) is that when the filter media plugs and overflows the water level in the sock tray area does not increase enough to activate the sensor to advance the fleece. The adapter for the Red Sea sump allows the water to rise enough to trip the sensor. the Red Sea adapter is the last picture I posted. It should be fairly simple to rig something up but I would have preferred to use the one they designed specifically for the problem.

jbyrne · 08/30/2018, 12:02 PM

I see. I haven't set mine up yet but I am excited to use it.
I too am unsure if I need a second one. I noticed they aren't selling the slave ones yet. I was tempted to buy a second until and try to set it up as a slave but I don't know for sure that I can.

Normmal · 09/01/2018, 10:32 AM

Di-4 on order. Can't wait till it gets here. Very tired of cleaning filter socks.

pecan2phat · 09/01/2018, 12:19 PM

Got mine yesterday, will probably set it up tonight or tomorrow. I went from 200 micron filter socks to filter cups with foam sponges and bonded pads and it's still a chore. But the filter cups is still way better then the felt socks.

tletourneau · 09/02/2018, 03:14 PM

Well I've got the manifold built and installed, it is 1.25" at the pump (Octo Varios-6") reduced to 1" hose to 1" PVC. The first valve is for the media reactor. The second valve is for future expansion. The final outlet is a 5/8" barb for the return as that is what the Reefer 350 uses. I went with 1" for the Neptune 1" flow meter, and according to the flow meter I am getting 316GPH with the Varios at 80% and 336GPH at 100%. That seem low for a pump rated at 1720 GPH. Hopefully I'll get the adapter for the Klir built tomorrow.

pecan2phat · 09/02/2018, 09:06 PM

There was a thread on clay-boa about substantially decreased flow for a Varios 8 and I forget but it was narrowed down to the controller after the user tried replacing the impeller then power supply.

tletourneau · 09/03/2018, 07:07 PM

I finally had time to install mine in my Red Sea Reefer 350. I made a bracket, it has a bit of bypass due to my lackluster milling abilities but the bulk of the water is being filtered. I may try to find a way to restrict the bypass but my primary thought is that this is a stopgap until Klir releases their adapter unless theirs has more bypass than mine.

pecan2phat · 09/03/2018, 08:02 PM

I just installed mine today also. Seems like this brand is developed with the IceCap sumps as the model catalyst which is great for me since I have an IceCap sump. They had a hollow receiving spindle in my kit which was frustrating but luckily I had extra replacement rolls so I just hijacked one from there but you’d hope there was some QC involved.
But gotta love the plug and play compared to the other motorized fleece filters out there.

pecan2phat · 09/03/2018, 10:11 PM

Vinny Kreyling · 09/04/2018, 08:02 AM

Hi Warren -----
I'll take a look @ MACNA

pecan2phat · 09/04/2018, 08:18 AM

Hi Vinny

tletourneau · 09/04/2018, 04:13 PM

I put this in my Apex for the outlet the Klir is connected to. My hope is that it shuts down the power to the Klir if my high water optical sensor for my ATO is on, my return pump outlet is off, or the Apex loses power. This is to avoid high water situations that are expected and do not mean the fleece needs to be advanced. I put in the defer 15:00 to let the water level settle after the sump level returns to normal. If anyone sees any errors please let me know.

Fallback ON
Set ON
If Swx3_2 = CLOSED Then OFF
If Outlet RetPump_2_3 = OFF Then OFF
If Power Apex Off 001 Then OFF
Defer 15:00 Then ON

tletourneau · 09/04/2018, 04:17 PM

Correction, I had an error on line 3. It should be:

Fallback ON
Set ON
If Swx3_2 CLOSED Then OFF
If Outlet RetPump_2_3 = OFF Then OFF
If Power Apex Off 001 Then OFF
Defer 15:00 Then ON

tletourneau · 09/07/2018, 11:52 AM

I wasn't pleased with the amount of bypass I was getting so I added EPDM extra small weather stripping, it has really helped cut down the bypass to a reasonable amount.

KnightMetro · 09/07/2018, 01:24 PM

How's the filter usage so far?

tletourneau · 09/07/2018, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnightMetro

How's the filter usage so far?

It has only advanced when I tested the motor and the picture shows how far I moved the fleece. The flow is still good and the water is clear, so far I am impressed. I was changing out filter socks (one mesh
and one 200 micron felt) every three days on average and I installed it on 9/3/2018.

KnightMetro · 09/10/2018, 08:52 AM

That is a good sign.

I'm torn on this one because of its design. I have a custom 170g on the way and an entire new system to stand up from the ground. So, in picking out a sump design or purchase, I want it to be purpose built for technologies like roller mats.

The Klir is made to go into an existing technology (A sump made for filter socks). In this case, I would need to buy a sump made for filter socks to be used with something made to replace filter socks.

I am tempted though to find a sump made for a single 7" filter sock and buy the 7" Klir. That's almost twice the surface area for $50 more.

08/27/2018, 08:57 AM	#1
tletourneau Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 46	Klir 4" filter I picked up a Klir Di-4 this weekend at New Wave Aquaria in MN. I wanted to get one while they were in stock in case I couldn't later. They do not have the Red Sea adapter out yet but I'll give it a few weeks. If it doesn't come out it doesn't look like it would be hard to fabricate.

08/28/2018, 08:49 PM	#4
wishntoboutside professional snow flake Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Riverside, Cali Posts: 5,962	is it up an running yet? __________________ Richard Current Tank Info: 450 gallon peninsula tank 724830 filled with a bunch of frags and trying to grow them out.

09/04/2018, 08:02 AM	#18
Vinny Kreyling Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miller Place, NY Posts: 7,206	Hi Warren ----- I'll take a look @ MACNA __________________ 250 gallon mixed reef, 2 Reefbreeder's Photon V 2, Deepwater BLDC 12, DAS EX-3 Skimmer, MTC mini cal, 2-3/4" Sea Swirls, Aquacontroller & 6 Tunze pumps.

08/28/2018, 06:45 AM	#3
pecan2phat Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Wallingford, CT Posts: 4,990	Nice, you must be one of the 1st. Still waiting for my pre-order from the 14th.

08/29/2018, 01:35 PM	#5
KnightMetro Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 132	I have been out of reefing for a few years and came back to see these coming out. This is the one that seems to impress me the most. My new custom tank will have a Shadow overflow, so I am interested to see someone use this with that adapter Klir is coming out with for DIY sumps. Also, isn't the replacement rolls only $10?

08/29/2018, 09:39 PM	#6
pecan2phat Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Wallingford, CT Posts: 4,990	Right off the intro, the replacement rolls jumped to $13.99. 40% increase from what was stated at RAP.

08/30/2018, 10:41 AM	#7
tletourneau Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 46	Sorry for the late reply, I haven't received post notifications for some reason. I haven't set it up yet, it needs an adapter for Red Sea sumps and I had hoped they would be released soon however I heard a rumor that the Red Sea adapter will not be released until November. I have asked Klir on their FB page and they are not giving a release date on the adapter. My current plan, unless I find out the adapter will be released soon, is to build my own adapter with acrylic. I would prefer the Klir adapter but I do not want to wait 1+ month to use the filter. I also need to determine my flow to see if I need two of the filters in the master/slave configuration. To that end I am building a manifold and installing a 1" flow meter to connect to the FMM on my Apex. I have an Octo Varios-6 rated for 1720GPH running at 80% for about 1376GPH but the Red Sea Reefer return is reduced to 5/8" so I am not sure what my flow is. 3/4" at low pressure can flow around 660GPH at 6 feet per second but at 12 f/s the flow goes to about 1,410GPH. So what I'm getting at is the Klir Di-4 is rated for 750GPH per filter so I may need two. I noticed the increase in the replacement fleece roll also. Although it is disappointing it's not the first time I've seen proposed pre-release pricing change post release. If it helps keep the tank clean, lasts a while, and makes maintenance easier I don't have a ploblem with $13.99 a roll. I'll keep an eye on the thread and update it as I go along.

08/30/2018, 10:56 AM	#8
jbyrne Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 17	I received my Klir today. I'm in Canada. In my case the Klir fit perfectly into my filter sock port. The package included two white acrylic adapters for two different sizes of openings. The unit itself has one that can be removed if needed plus there are two other sizes. Did yours include those? I wonder if one of them fits the redsea sock ports.

08/30/2018, 12:02 PM	#10
jbyrne Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 17	I see. I haven't set mine up yet but I am excited to use it. I too am unsure if I need a second one. I noticed they aren't selling the slave ones yet. I was tempted to buy a second until and try to set it up as a slave but I don't know for sure that I can.

09/01/2018, 10:32 AM	#11
Normmal Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: WA Posts: 1	Di-4 on order. Can't wait till it gets here. Very tired of cleaning filter socks.

09/01/2018, 12:19 PM	#12
pecan2phat Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Wallingford, CT Posts: 4,990	Got mine yesterday, will probably set it up tonight or tomorrow. I went from 200 micron filter socks to filter cups with foam sponges and bonded pads and it's still a chore. But the filter cups is still way better then the felt socks.

09/02/2018, 09:06 PM	#14
pecan2phat Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Wallingford, CT Posts: 4,990	There was a thread on clay-boa about substantially decreased flow for a Varios 8 and I forget but it was narrowed down to the controller after the user tried replacing the impeller then power supply.

09/03/2018, 08:02 PM	#16
pecan2phat Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Wallingford, CT Posts: 4,990	I just installed mine today also. Seems like this brand is developed with the IceCap sumps as the model catalyst which is great for me since I have an IceCap sump. They had a hollow receiving spindle in my kit which was frustrating but luckily I had extra replacement rolls so I just hijacked one from there but you’d hope there was some QC involved. But gotta love the plug and play compared to the other motorized fleece filters out there.

09/03/2018, 10:11 PM	#17
pecan2phat Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Wallingford, CT Posts: 4,990

09/04/2018, 08:18 AM	#19
pecan2phat Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Wallingford, CT Posts: 4,990	Hi Vinny

09/04/2018, 04:13 PM	#20
tletourneau Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 46	I put this in my Apex for the outlet the Klir is connected to. My hope is that it shuts down the power to the Klir if my high water optical sensor for my ATO is on, my return pump outlet is off, or the Apex loses power. This is to avoid high water situations that are expected and do not mean the fleece needs to be advanced. I put in the defer 15:00 to let the water level settle after the sump level returns to normal. If anyone sees any errors please let me know. Fallback ON Set ON If Swx3_2 = CLOSED Then OFF If Outlet RetPump_2_3 = OFF Then OFF If Power Apex Off 001 Then OFF Defer 15:00 Then ON

09/04/2018, 04:17 PM	#21
tletourneau Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 46	Correction, I had an error on line 3. It should be: Fallback ON Set ON If Swx3_2 CLOSED Then OFF If Outlet RetPump_2_3 = OFF Then OFF If Power Apex Off 001 Then OFF Defer 15:00 Then ON

09/07/2018, 01:24 PM	#23
KnightMetro Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 132	How's the filter usage so far?

09/10/2018, 08:52 AM	#25
KnightMetro Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 132	That is a good sign. I'm torn on this one because of its design. I have a custom 170g on the way and an entire new system to stand up from the ground. So, in picking out a sump design or purchase, I want it to be purpose built for technologies like roller mats. The Klir is made to go into an existing technology (A sump made for filter socks). In this case, I would need to buy a sump made for filter socks to be used with something made to replace filter socks. I am tempted though to find a sump made for a single 7" filter sock and buy the 7" Klir. That's almost twice the surface area for $50 more.