Anthias ID please...

tjpontz · 07/05/2004, 10:34 AM

I got this little guy over the weekend, relatively sure he was a lyretail. However, examining more pictures of anthias varieties, I'm completely confused now.

He has a red stripe up the 'aft' edge of his tail that I don't see in other pictures. Like lipstick or a paint stripe.

So any anthias lovers out there can point me in the right direction for an ID?

tjpontz · 07/05/2004, 03:30 PM

:: bump ::
I hate to bump but - anybody ??

tjpontz · 07/06/2004, 06:25 AM

one more time.....

ScarFish · 07/06/2004, 08:01 AM

Not sure, but I'm thinking a Hawaiian bi-color anthias?

tjpontz · 07/06/2004, 09:05 AM

His body looks like it has a yellow base with a thin purple finish over that, a purple dorsal and the tail is red. Sorry I dont have a better picture.... Closest match is a Yellow Anthias, but the tail is still different.

ScarFish · 07/06/2004, 12:43 PM

Yeah, that diesn't sound like a Yellow Anthias. I just purchased one about a week ago, and it is basically yellow all over, with a hint of red on the body. Try a search for Hawaiian Anthias on the web and see if that isn't what he looks like. Sorry, couldn't be of more help.

tjpontz · 07/06/2004, 01:05 PM

Thanks for trying. I've been all over the web and found some that are close on fishbase.com, saltwaterfish.com, saltcorner.com but no cigars. None.

Hopefully somebody can chime in soon....

ozadars · 07/06/2004, 02:27 PM

Looks like wrasse instead of an anthias to me. Do you have a picture with the fins opened? Might be Paracheilinus sp.

tjpontz · 07/06/2004, 03:48 PM

I will try to get a photo and upload it as soon as I can, however, my camera leaves a lot to be desired....

ozadars · 07/06/2004, 04:08 PM

i cant see his tail very well. Does he has two red parts in the corners?

ozadars · 07/06/2004, 04:30 PM

btw, although i havent seen more than few picture of them, you might want to check Pseudoanthias kashiwae as this looks like it a bit.

myth · 07/06/2004, 04:33 PM

i have 3 of thease its a bartlett

ozadars · 07/06/2004, 04:48 PM

The body coloration looks like bartlett's but the tail looks totally different

ddawson · 07/06/2004, 05:06 PM

It doesn't look like a Lyretail. The Males will have a red dot on the dorsal fins. The females have a pink stripe that runs from the eye to the dorsal fin.

The male in the picture is a little dark but you can see the red spot. http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...d=21&pCatId=54

I'd say its a bartlett's too but the tail doesn't look right.

tjpontz · 07/06/2004, 06:37 PM

I agree not a Bartlett's, but I'm no expert. The tail has a larger red blob on the top and bottom tips, and a stripe that's pretty thin up the edge. The body coloration is a light pinkish with yellow undertones - really hard to describe.

He's not eating much - he ate some meaty stuff earlier but is kind of slowing down now. I hope he's going to be okay.... Meanwhile I"ll try to get a better photo of him.

tjpontz · 07/06/2004, 06:43 PM

This photo of a Pseudoanthias kashiwae doesn't match. It has more green in the body and the pec fins are bluish. Either that or it's a different sex.
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...d=21&pCatId=93

The fins are a very light pink - almost transparent, except for the dorsal which is a bright purple.

tjpontz · 07/06/2004, 06:56 PM

Here is a better image of his tail
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/...04anthias9.jpg
and one of his fins
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/...04anthias8.jpg

tjpontz · 07/06/2004, 07:07 PM

And finally....
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/...04anthias6.jpg

tjpontz · 07/06/2004, 07:21 PM

I may have just found it here
http://www.reefimages.com/cgi-reefim...s&slide=11.jpg
Stocky or Siverstreak anthias, Female, Pseudanthias hypselosoma
The colors match and the tail streak is the same.

ddawson · 07/06/2004, 09:12 PM

Glad you found an ID. It's a nice looking fish.

ozadars · 07/07/2004, 05:21 AM

oh yeah thats him

tjpontz · 07/07/2004, 07:19 AM

er, uh, that's her.

She's not eating, so it's not looking very good right now. Thanks for your help!

ddawson · 07/07/2004, 10:48 AM

Try some Live Brine. If it likes it use brine for several days then introduce frozen. If it takes frozen try Mysis shrimp after a few days.

Mine at this point will even eat flake food. It also loves the CYCLOP-EEZE frozen bar.

Laura D · 03/02/2007, 04:18 PM

So, did this fish mature into a stocky anthias? We recently picked up some of these little pink anthias with the red tips to the tail and can't decide if they are juvi red belted P. rubrizonatus or juvi Stocky anthias. Do you have any updated pics?

tjpontz · 03/02/2007, 04:59 PM

Sorry, but that fish did not survive long. I think it was a silversides. Since then I've also gotten out of the hobby and got rid of my tank and gear.

07/05/2004, 10:34 AM	#1
tjpontz Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NativeAmericanApolis Posts: 87	Anthias ID please... I got this little guy over the weekend, relatively sure he was a lyretail. However, examining more pictures of anthias varieties, I'm completely confused now. He has a red stripe up the 'aft' edge of his tail that I don't see in other pictures. Like lipstick or a paint stripe. So any anthias lovers out there can point me in the right direction for an ID? __________________ I keep forgetting that Alzheimer's runs in my family..... Current Tank Info: 75 gal, FOWLR except for a plate coral and an open brain, 4" DSB. With 2 black clowns, midas blenny, tennant tang, coral beauty angel, and a buncha snails and crabs.

07/05/2004, 03:30 PM	#2
tjpontz Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NativeAmericanApolis Posts: 87	:: bump :: I hate to bump but - anybody ?? __________________ I keep forgetting that Alzheimer's runs in my family..... Current Tank Info: 75 gal, FOWLR except for a plate coral and an open brain, 4" DSB. With 2 black clowns, midas blenny, tennant tang, coral beauty angel, and a buncha snails and crabs.

07/06/2004, 06:25 AM	#3
tjpontz Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NativeAmericanApolis Posts: 87	one more time..... __________________ I keep forgetting that Alzheimer's runs in my family..... Current Tank Info: 75 gal, FOWLR except for a plate coral and an open brain, 4" DSB. With 2 black clowns, midas blenny, tennant tang, coral beauty angel, and a buncha snails and crabs.

07/06/2004, 08:01 AM	#4
ScarFish Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Antioch, IL Posts: 150	Not sure, but I'm thinking a Hawaiian bi-color anthias? __________________ Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don’t have that problem. (Ronald Reagan, U.S. President; 1985)

07/06/2004, 09:05 AM	#5
tjpontz Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NativeAmericanApolis Posts: 87	His body looks like it has a yellow base with a thin purple finish over that, a purple dorsal and the tail is red. Sorry I dont have a better picture.... Closest match is a Yellow Anthias, but the tail is still different. __________________ I keep forgetting that Alzheimer's runs in my family..... Current Tank Info: 75 gal, FOWLR except for a plate coral and an open brain, 4" DSB. With 2 black clowns, midas blenny, tennant tang, coral beauty angel, and a buncha snails and crabs.

07/06/2004, 12:43 PM	#6
ScarFish Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Antioch, IL Posts: 150	Yeah, that diesn't sound like a Yellow Anthias. I just purchased one about a week ago, and it is basically yellow all over, with a hint of red on the body. Try a search for Hawaiian Anthias on the web and see if that isn't what he looks like. Sorry, couldn't be of more help. __________________ Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don’t have that problem. (Ronald Reagan, U.S. President; 1985)

07/06/2004, 01:05 PM	#7
tjpontz Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NativeAmericanApolis Posts: 87	Thanks for trying. I've been all over the web and found some that are close on fishbase.com, saltwaterfish.com, saltcorner.com but no cigars. None. Hopefully somebody can chime in soon.... __________________ I keep forgetting that Alzheimer's runs in my family..... Current Tank Info: 75 gal, FOWLR except for a plate coral and an open brain, 4" DSB. With 2 black clowns, midas blenny, tennant tang, coral beauty angel, and a buncha snails and crabs.

07/06/2004, 02:27 PM	#8
ozadars Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Turkey / Izmir Posts: 3,673	Looks like wrasse instead of an anthias to me. Do you have a picture with the fins opened? Might be Paracheilinus sp. __________________ Selim Özadar Names of some Mediterranean fish;Chromis chromis, Conger conger, Anthias anthias, Phycis phycis, Hippocampus hippocampus, Boops boops, Dentex dentex, Pagrus pagrus, Sphyraena sphyraena Current Tank Info: 19gal reef tank Last edited by ozadars; 07/06/2004 at 02:44 PM.

07/06/2004, 03:48 PM	#9
tjpontz Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NativeAmericanApolis Posts: 87	I will try to get a photo and upload it as soon as I can, however, my camera leaves a lot to be desired.... __________________ I keep forgetting that Alzheimer's runs in my family..... Current Tank Info: 75 gal, FOWLR except for a plate coral and an open brain, 4" DSB. With 2 black clowns, midas blenny, tennant tang, coral beauty angel, and a buncha snails and crabs.

07/06/2004, 04:08 PM	#10
ozadars Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Turkey / Izmir Posts: 3,673	i cant see his tail very well. Does he has two red parts in the corners? __________________ Selim Özadar Names of some Mediterranean fish;Chromis chromis, Conger conger, Anthias anthias, Phycis phycis, Hippocampus hippocampus, Boops boops, Dentex dentex, Pagrus pagrus, Sphyraena sphyraena Current Tank Info: 19gal reef tank

07/06/2004, 04:30 PM	#11
ozadars Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Turkey / Izmir Posts: 3,673	btw, although i havent seen more than few picture of them, you might want to check Pseudoanthias kashiwae as this looks like it a bit. __________________ Selim Özadar Names of some Mediterranean fish;Chromis chromis, Conger conger, Anthias anthias, Phycis phycis, Hippocampus hippocampus, Boops boops, Dentex dentex, Pagrus pagrus, Sphyraena sphyraena Current Tank Info: 19gal reef tank

07/06/2004, 04:33 PM	#12
myth Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: mich, dearborn Posts: 226	i have 3 of thease its a bartlett __________________ The man who has no imagination has no wings. -- Muhammad Ali Current Tank Info: new 180 g, MR-1 with a pxc-30 wooohooo a real skimmer. 2 year salt.

07/06/2004, 04:48 PM	#13
ozadars Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Turkey / Izmir Posts: 3,673	The body coloration looks like bartlett's but the tail looks totally different __________________ Selim Özadar Names of some Mediterranean fish;Chromis chromis, Conger conger, Anthias anthias, Phycis phycis, Hippocampus hippocampus, Boops boops, Dentex dentex, Pagrus pagrus, Sphyraena sphyraena Current Tank Info: 19gal reef tank

07/06/2004, 05:06 PM	#14
ddawson Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: San Mateo, CA Bay Area Posts: 872	It doesn't look like a Lyretail. The Males will have a red dot on the dorsal fins. The females have a pink stripe that runs from the eye to the dorsal fin. The male in the picture is a little dark but you can see the red spot. http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...d=21&pCatId=54 I'd say its a bartlett's too but the tail doesn't look right. __________________ Oceanic Biocube 14, Rapid LED's

07/06/2004, 06:37 PM	#15
tjpontz Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NativeAmericanApolis Posts: 87	I agree not a Bartlett's, but I'm no expert. The tail has a larger red blob on the top and bottom tips, and a stripe that's pretty thin up the edge. The body coloration is a light pinkish with yellow undertones - really hard to describe. He's not eating much - he ate some meaty stuff earlier but is kind of slowing down now. I hope he's going to be okay.... Meanwhile I"ll try to get a better photo of him. __________________ I keep forgetting that Alzheimer's runs in my family..... Current Tank Info: 75 gal, FOWLR except for a plate coral and an open brain, 4" DSB. With 2 black clowns, midas blenny, tennant tang, coral beauty angel, and a buncha snails and crabs.

07/06/2004, 06:43 PM	#16
tjpontz Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NativeAmericanApolis Posts: 87	This photo of a Pseudoanthias kashiwae doesn't match. It has more green in the body and the pec fins are bluish. Either that or it's a different sex. http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...d=21&pCatId=93 The fins are a very light pink - almost transparent, except for the dorsal which is a bright purple. __________________ I keep forgetting that Alzheimer's runs in my family..... Current Tank Info: 75 gal, FOWLR except for a plate coral and an open brain, 4" DSB. With 2 black clowns, midas blenny, tennant tang, coral beauty angel, and a buncha snails and crabs.

07/06/2004, 06:56 PM	#17
tjpontz Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NativeAmericanApolis Posts: 87	Here is a better image of his tail http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/...04anthias9.jpg and one of his fins http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/...04anthias8.jpg __________________ I keep forgetting that Alzheimer's runs in my family..... Current Tank Info: 75 gal, FOWLR except for a plate coral and an open brain, 4" DSB. With 2 black clowns, midas blenny, tennant tang, coral beauty angel, and a buncha snails and crabs.

07/06/2004, 07:07 PM	#18
tjpontz Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NativeAmericanApolis Posts: 87	And finally.... http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/...04anthias6.jpg __________________ I keep forgetting that Alzheimer's runs in my family..... Current Tank Info: 75 gal, FOWLR except for a plate coral and an open brain, 4" DSB. With 2 black clowns, midas blenny, tennant tang, coral beauty angel, and a buncha snails and crabs.

07/06/2004, 07:21 PM	#19
tjpontz Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NativeAmericanApolis Posts: 87	Pseudanthias hypselosoma I may have just found it here http://www.reefimages.com/cgi-reefim...s&slide=11.jpg Stocky or Siverstreak anthias, Female, Pseudanthias hypselosoma The colors match and the tail streak is the same. __________________ I keep forgetting that Alzheimer's runs in my family..... Current Tank Info: 75 gal, FOWLR except for a plate coral and an open brain, 4" DSB. With 2 black clowns, midas blenny, tennant tang, coral beauty angel, and a buncha snails and crabs. Last edited by tjpontz; 07/06/2004 at 07:45 PM.

07/06/2004, 09:12 PM	#20
ddawson Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: San Mateo, CA Bay Area Posts: 872	Glad you found an ID. It's a nice looking fish. __________________ Oceanic Biocube 14, Rapid LED's

07/07/2004, 05:21 AM	#21
ozadars Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Turkey / Izmir Posts: 3,673	oh yeah thats him __________________ Selim Özadar Names of some Mediterranean fish;Chromis chromis, Conger conger, Anthias anthias, Phycis phycis, Hippocampus hippocampus, Boops boops, Dentex dentex, Pagrus pagrus, Sphyraena sphyraena Current Tank Info: 19gal reef tank

07/07/2004, 07:19 AM	#22
tjpontz Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NativeAmericanApolis Posts: 87	er, uh, that's her. She's not eating, so it's not looking very good right now. Thanks for your help! __________________ I keep forgetting that Alzheimer's runs in my family..... Current Tank Info: 75 gal, FOWLR except for a plate coral and an open brain, 4" DSB. With 2 black clowns, midas blenny, tennant tang, coral beauty angel, and a buncha snails and crabs.

07/07/2004, 10:48 AM	#23
ddawson Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: San Mateo, CA Bay Area Posts: 872	Try some Live Brine. If it likes it use brine for several days then introduce frozen. If it takes frozen try Mysis shrimp after a few days. Mine at this point will even eat flake food. It also loves the CYCLOP-EEZE frozen bar. __________________ Oceanic Biocube 14, Rapid LED's

03/02/2007, 04:18 PM	#24
Laura D Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Iowa City, Iowa Posts: 1,312	So, did this fish mature into a stocky anthias? We recently picked up some of these little pink anthias with the red tips to the tail and can't decide if they are juvi red belted P. rubrizonatus or juvi Stocky anthias. Do you have any updated pics? __________________ -Laura

03/02/2007, 04:59 PM	#25
tjpontz Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NativeAmericanApolis Posts: 87	Sorry, but that fish did not survive long. I think it was a silversides. Since then I've also gotten out of the hobby and got rid of my tank and gear. __________________ I keep forgetting that Alzheimer's runs in my family..... Current Tank Info: 75 gal, FOWLR except for a plate coral and an open brain, 4" DSB. With 2 black clowns, midas blenny, tennant tang, coral beauty angel, and a buncha snails and crabs.