Fish Information

lossman · 04/11/2005, 02:22 PM

Looking for information on the following fish. They are supposed to be good for the Gulf of Mexico biotope we are doing.

They aren't in the book Marine Fishes or others we have, but that's the type of info I'm looking for:

Reef tank suitability
Difficulty in captivity
Aggression
Feeding
etc

Personal experiences are especially great !!!

Thanks

Spotfin Butterfly
Slippery Dick Wrasse
Beau Gregory Damsel
Colon Goby
Blue Goby

I have Latin names if it helps.

swims withthe fishes · 04/11/2005, 02:47 PM

i always have problems with my Slippery Dick Wrasse beating on the Poon Tang... I don't know how much more of his abuse she can take.

NwG · 04/11/2005, 03:18 PM

Hope the mods don't see that one

Nuhtty · 04/11/2005, 03:54 PM

www.fishbase.org

lossman · 04/11/2005, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by swims withthe fishes
i always have problems with my Slippery Dick Wrasse beating on the Poon Tang... I don't know how much more of his abuse she can take.

:fun1:

lossman · 04/16/2005, 06:38 AM

Checked out the fishbase.org site, but unfortunately no aquarium info for any of the fishes listed. Unless I'm using it wrong.

Anyway, what other good sites have aquarium keeping info for a lot of fish?

Pike · 04/16/2005, 08:15 AM

Take a long weekend vacation & go catch them yourself. They are easy to find along either side of the overseas highway.

I think the colon goby is aka Goldspot goby. I have one in my sump.

The slippery dick wrasse I have is getting a new home because he is a little too destructive in my reef. (picking things up)

Here's my vote for catching them yourself.

Pike · 04/16/2005, 08:27 AM

Reef tank suitability.... If you're creating a biotope, I'm not quite following you here.

Difficulty: spotfin (aka 4spot) High
slippery dick LOW
Beau greg.. LOW
colon goby....LOW
Blue goby.....Med

They are all quite territorial & aggressive fish. Worst to best would be: Beau, colon, slippery,spotfin, blue.

Feeding: beau, colon, slippery: Absolutely anything. The colon is limited by what it can cram in its mouth. IE nothing. It CANNOT be kept with fish that are smaller than it. Blue goby likes mysis & BS. No idea on the butterfly.

Feel free to PM me & I can put you in touch with someone who has kept all the fish you list successfully.

lossman · 04/17/2005, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pike
Reef tank suitability.... If you're creating a biotope, I'm not quite following you here.

Difficulty: spotfin (aka 4spot) High
slippery dick LOW
Beau greg.. LOW
colon goby....LOW
Blue goby.....Med

They are all quite territorial & aggressive fish. Worst to best would be: Beau, colon, slippery,spotfin, blue.

Feeding: beau, colon, slippery: Absolutely anything. The colon is limited by what it can cram in its mouth. IE nothing. It CANNOT be kept with fish that are smaller than it. Blue goby likes mysis & BS. No idea on the butterfly.

Feel free to PM me & I can put you in touch with someone who has kept all the fish you list successfully.

Thanks

What I'm going to do is finish a full livestock plan, fish and inverts. I'll post that here for feedback. Probably a week or two.

clsanchez77 · 02/04/2006, 11:26 AM

How have you come along on this. I am settng up a Gulf of Mexico Reef Biotope with inverts.

Based on your fish list, I would guess you used Tullock's Book

. I matched his book up with a survey done by the Flower Garden Sactuary (La & Tx coasts) and supplemented his list.

Came up with more suitable candidates:
Cherub Angel (pair)
Peppermint Bass (single)
Blue Chromis (schoal - 3)
Seaweed Blenny (single)

I am still trying to find a 5th species, picking one out of:
Spotfin Butterfly
Red Spot Hawk
Bluehead Wrasse
Beau Gregory Damsel

So was curious to see what you have done over the last few months.

Chris

lossman · 02/04/2006, 12:05 PM

Hi Chris,

We have all five fish that we are going to be putting in the tank. We ended up with a royal gramma, a harelequinn basslet, an indigo hamlet, a neon wrasse and a hawkfish. We have not added many inverts as yet. It's a little hard to come by the things we want to put in there. We accidently added a couple of things before we were aware they were not strictly from the Gulf/Caribbean area. We have discosomas in there that did not originate in that area, we have an orange cup coral that, although is found in the area, did not come from that area and our hawkfish turns out to be a Falcos, not a redspotted. The fish was our fault for not researching it properly. We knew that we wanted a red spotted hawkfish from way back, but had not looked at pictures in quite some time. We saw the Falcos and asked what kind of hawkfish it was. LFS kid told us redspotted so we bought it. After getting it home, we researched to find out exactly what kind of food, care etc and found out we had an Indopacific fish in our tank. He's staying anyway.

Our next couple of inverts will be the corky seafinger and the purple frilly gorgonian. Just waiting on availability from the person we will be getting them from.

Sally

graveyardworm · 02/04/2006, 02:30 PM

I definatly wouldnt mix the slippery dick wrasse with the colon goby.

clsanchez77 · 02/05/2006, 10:20 PM

You say you havent added many inverts so far, that implies you added some. How is the hamet and hawk handling that?

Caribbean/Gulf is a tough one. I want to plant the tank with lots of porties sps and the caribbean variety are not legally available, ecept as 'worm rock'. I will be substituting with indo-pacific varieties that have similar colors (muted colors, not bright). Growth forms appear various in both regions, with exception to the P. asteroids (mustard hill) being a unique caribbean shape and not available as a similar substitute from the west.

Chris

clsanchez77 · 02/05/2006, 10:21 PM

BTW, Discosoma only has three varieties in the caribbean and they are very hard to comeby.

lossman · 02/06/2006, 05:57 AM

Basically we have added snails, blue leg and red leg hermits. The hamlet does not really bother them that much. The main culprit is the wrasse. He pickes them off the rocks or flips them on the sand then the basslet and the wrasse torment them. I think the ones eating the snails are a couple of small gorilla crabs that the basslet has not caught yet and/or the pistol shrimp.

Pandora · 02/06/2006, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by graveyardworm
I definatly wouldnt mix the slippery dick wrasse with the colon goby.

04/11/2005, 02:22 PM	#1
lossman Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 2,341	Fish Information Looking for information on the following fish. They are supposed to be good for the Gulf of Mexico biotope we are doing. They aren't in the book Marine Fishes or others we have, but that's the type of info I'm looking for: Reef tank suitability Difficulty in captivity Aggression Feeding etc Personal experiences are especially great !!! Thanks Spotfin Butterfly Slippery Dick Wrasse Beau Gregory Damsel Colon Goby Blue Goby I have Latin names if it helps.

04/11/2005, 02:47 PM	#2
swims withthe fishes Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Woodstock Posts: 1,330	i always have problems with my Slippery Dick Wrasse beating on the Poon Tang... I don't know how much more of his abuse she can take. __________________ Fish are Icthy Current Tank Info: 12 Gallon non photo synthetic, 200 gal DAS Reef Pond, setting up 90gal sps/clam

04/11/2005, 03:18 PM	#3
NwG Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Redondo Beach-SoCal Posts: 1,498	Hope the mods don't see that one __________________ Nerds with Guns? Fish with Guns! Kimber 1911-Dosen't get any better "If you don't test for it, DON'T ADD IT!!!!" "Always strive for the optimum environment, not the minimum environment" -BrianD- Current Tank Info: 220g bb display about 420g total 100g fuge 90g sump in basement ASM G6 2x400w 14k's, 250w 14k, 2x6100 streams w/MC 1/4hp chiller, BARR CR2200 reactor, Geo Kalk Reactor, SPS and clams

02/04/2006, 11:26 AM	#10
clsanchez77 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Metairie, La Posts: 822	How have you come along on this. I am settng up a Gulf of Mexico Reef Biotope with inverts. Based on your fish list, I would guess you used Tullock's Book. I matched his book up with a survey done by the Flower Garden Sactuary (La & Tx coasts) and supplemented his list. Came up with more suitable candidates: Cherub Angel (pair) Peppermint Bass (single) Blue Chromis (schoal - 3) Seaweed Blenny (single) I am still trying to find a 5th species, picking one out of: Spotfin Butterfly Red Spot Hawk Bluehead Wrasse Beau Gregory Damsel So was curious to see what you have done over the last few months. Chris

02/04/2006, 12:05 PM	#11
lossman Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 2,341	Hi Chris, We have all five fish that we are going to be putting in the tank. We ended up with a royal gramma, a harelequinn basslet, an indigo hamlet, a neon wrasse and a hawkfish. We have not added many inverts as yet. It's a little hard to come by the things we want to put in there. We accidently added a couple of things before we were aware they were not strictly from the Gulf/Caribbean area. We have discosomas in there that did not originate in that area, we have an orange cup coral that, although is found in the area, did not come from that area and our hawkfish turns out to be a Falcos, not a redspotted. The fish was our fault for not researching it properly. We knew that we wanted a red spotted hawkfish from way back, but had not looked at pictures in quite some time. We saw the Falcos and asked what kind of hawkfish it was. LFS kid told us redspotted so we bought it. After getting it home, we researched to find out exactly what kind of food, care etc and found out we had an Indopacific fish in our tank. He's staying anyway. Our next couple of inverts will be the corky seafinger and the purple frilly gorgonian. Just waiting on availability from the person we will be getting them from. Sally __________________ Research and learn BEFORE you act !!!, or you'll surely regret it. :) Current Tank Info: 150 gal TBS

04/11/2005, 03:54 PM	#4
Nuhtty Moved On Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 7,022	www.fishbase.org

04/16/2005, 06:38 AM	#6
lossman Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 2,341	Checked out the fishbase.org site, but unfortunately no aquarium info for any of the fishes listed. Unless I'm using it wrong. Anyway, what other good sites have aquarium keeping info for a lot of fish?

04/16/2005, 08:15 AM	#7
Pike Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: north carolina Posts: 683	Take a long weekend vacation & go catch them yourself. They are easy to find along either side of the overseas highway. I think the colon goby is aka Goldspot goby. I have one in my sump. The slippery dick wrasse I have is getting a new home because he is a little too destructive in my reef. (picking things up) Here's my vote for catching them yourself.

04/16/2005, 08:27 AM	#8
Pike Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: north carolina Posts: 683	Reef tank suitability.... If you're creating a biotope, I'm not quite following you here. Difficulty: spotfin (aka 4spot) High slippery dick LOW Beau greg.. LOW colon goby....LOW Blue goby.....Med They are all quite territorial & aggressive fish. Worst to best would be: Beau, colon, slippery,spotfin, blue. Feeding: beau, colon, slippery: Absolutely anything. The colon is limited by what it can cram in its mouth. IE nothing. It CANNOT be kept with fish that are smaller than it. Blue goby likes mysis & BS. No idea on the butterfly. Feel free to PM me & I can put you in touch with someone who has kept all the fish you list successfully.

02/04/2006, 02:30 PM	#12
graveyardworm Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nottingham, NH Posts: 7,251	I definatly wouldnt mix the slippery dick wrasse with the colon goby. __________________ -David- President - New Hampshire Reef Club There’ll be no one to save, with the world in a grave Current Tank Info: 100 gal lagoon/seagrass, 100 gal sump, Lifereef 72" skimmer, 180 inwall, 125 inwall seagrass/lagoon in progress

02/05/2006, 10:20 PM	#13
clsanchez77 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Metairie, La Posts: 822	You say you havent added many inverts so far, that implies you added some. How is the hamet and hawk handling that? Caribbean/Gulf is a tough one. I want to plant the tank with lots of porties sps and the caribbean variety are not legally available, ecept as 'worm rock'. I will be substituting with indo-pacific varieties that have similar colors (muted colors, not bright). Growth forms appear various in both regions, with exception to the P. asteroids (mustard hill) being a unique caribbean shape and not available as a similar substitute from the west. Chris

02/05/2006, 10:21 PM	#14
clsanchez77 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Metairie, La Posts: 822	BTW, Discosoma only has three varieties in the caribbean and they are very hard to comeby.

02/06/2006, 05:57 AM	#15
lossman Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 2,341	Basically we have added snails, blue leg and red leg hermits. The hamlet does not really bother them that much. The main culprit is the wrasse. He pickes them off the rocks or flips them on the sand then the basslet and the wrasse torment them. I think the ones eating the snails are a couple of small gorilla crabs that the basslet has not caught yet and/or the pistol shrimp. __________________ Research and learn BEFORE you act !!!, or you'll surely regret it. :) Current Tank Info: 150 gal TBS