Water Movement?

Razzagas · 03/28/2006, 08:32 PM

what is the best way to provide enough water movement for a 65 gallon mixed reef? I don't want it to be too visible. Any ideas? How much flow would i need? I want to keep some of everything
Thanks

Anemonebuff · 03/28/2006, 08:45 PM

Closed loop with a strong pump and some Wavyseas for the "I do not want to see the pumps" crowd. Otherwise, Tunze Streams are awesome.

Razzagas · 03/29/2006, 07:18 AM

how do you make a closed loop? and what size tunze would work?

Avi · 03/29/2006, 08:00 AM

Go to www.melevsreef.com for some info about closed loops.

There's a Tunze Forum here in RC Forums and you can post your question there for an answer to your question. But, for a 65-gallon tank, if you're willing to see them, I'd try two Seio 820s, which along with the flow from your sump return, should give your reef a good quality flow. Tunzes are, without a doubt, superior but, you can place them on a controller, but you'd see that just as much as the Sieos and it a whole lot more expensive. On the other hand, I just read in these Forums, that Seio is releasing a controller or has already.

Anemonebuff · 03/29/2006, 08:27 AM

A tunze 6000 with single controller would be ample flow when coupled with your sump returns or a maxijet to create turbulance. The amount of flow will be determined by what you want to keep. High flow for SPS and medium flow for softies and LPS. I consider medium flow a turnover of 15 times the tank volume to 40 times the tank volume. High flow 40+ times tank volume.

A closed loop is usually plumbed into a tank by drilling the back panel of the tank so that there is a drain to a pump. From there the return is spliced into the amount of diferent returns you want. Many people have hole drilled for the returns as well. A closed loop can also be done by hanging a pump from the back of the tank and having returns over the top. No drilling necessary, but you must not let the syphon break.

Anemonebuff · 03/29/2006, 08:28 AM

The only drawback to Seios is that they have a tendency to not restart after power outages.

afishyonados · 03/29/2006, 08:46 AM

And thier impeller shafts break on a wavemaker!

Avi · 03/29/2006, 09:31 AM

I know that a lot of people have trouble restarting Seios....I have three going on my reef. I turn them on and off pretty frequently for feeding, water changes, etc. and I literally never had one fail to resart...ever. They're all on the same switch. I can say that I've tried Rios, which are made by the same company as the Seios are, and they never ever restarted and junked them immediately. Those are the worst, but the Seios have really served me well. Like I mentioned, they are releasing, if they haven't already in the last few days, a controller for them.

somethingphishy · 03/29/2006, 10:16 AM

Like I mentioned, they are releasing, if they haven't already in the last few days, a controller for them.

Good to hear--where can i find more info on the product?

Greg129 · 03/29/2006, 11:24 AM

I plan on keeping soft corals in my 65 gallon. I have three Maxijet 1200's running on a wavemaker.

Avi · 03/29/2006, 01:14 PM

If you want to improve the flow coming from Maxijets....put Hydor flo deflectors on them. I find that it really does a lot of good.

mg426 · 03/29/2006, 01:52 PM

Closed loop systems get my vote.

RichConley · 03/29/2006, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Avi
I know that a lot of people have trouble restarting Seios....I have three going on my reef. I turn them on and off pretty frequently for feeding, water changes, etc. and I literally never had one fail to resart...ever. They're all on the same switch. I can say that I've tried Rios, which are made by the same company as the Seios are, and they never ever restarted and junked them immediately. Those are the worst, but the Seios have really served me well. Like I mentioned, they are releasing, if they haven't already in the last few days, a controller for them.

I think I've seen like 3 people say that they have problems with their SEIOs restarting, and a whole bunch of people parroting that. Mine get turned on and off 3 or 4 times a day, and never have problems.

That being said, just know, the suggested CL with wavy seas is going to probably cost you well over $1000. And an extra $20+ a month in electricity.
$200 pump
$500 (2 x wavy sea)
$200 assorted valves,unions,etc.

03/28/2006, 08:32 PM	#1
Razzagas Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 653	Water Movement? what is the best way to provide enough water movement for a 65 gallon mixed reef? I don't want it to be too visible. Any ideas? How much flow would i need? I want to keep some of everything Thanks

03/29/2006, 08:00 AM	#4
Avi Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Westchester County, NY Posts: 7,327	Go to www.melevsreef.com for some info about closed loops. There's a Tunze Forum here in RC Forums and you can post your question there for an answer to your question. But, for a 65-gallon tank, if you're willing to see them, I'd try two Seio 820s, which along with the flow from your sump return, should give your reef a good quality flow. Tunzes are, without a doubt, superior but, you can place them on a controller, but you'd see that just as much as the Sieos and it a whole lot more expensive. On the other hand, I just read in these Forums, that Seio is releasing a controller or has already. __________________ I'd keep the whole ocean if my den were big enough Current Tank Info: 120 gallon reef with 210 lbs. of live rock, Aqua-C EV180 Skimmer, Aquactinic double 250W MH with blue plus t5 support; 58 gallon freshwater planted tank using CO2 and T5s; 30-gallon cube with a few fancy goldfish; and a 110 gallon FOWLR

03/29/2006, 09:31 AM	#8
Avi Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Westchester County, NY Posts: 7,327	I know that a lot of people have trouble restarting Seios....I have three going on my reef. I turn them on and off pretty frequently for feeding, water changes, etc. and I literally never had one fail to resart...ever. They're all on the same switch. I can say that I've tried Rios, which are made by the same company as the Seios are, and they never ever restarted and junked them immediately. Those are the worst, but the Seios have really served me well. Like I mentioned, they are releasing, if they haven't already in the last few days, a controller for them. __________________ I'd keep the whole ocean if my den were big enough Current Tank Info: 120 gallon reef with 210 lbs. of live rock, Aqua-C EV180 Skimmer, Aquactinic double 250W MH with blue plus t5 support; 58 gallon freshwater planted tank using CO2 and T5s; 30-gallon cube with a few fancy goldfish; and a 110 gallon FOWLR

03/29/2006, 10:16 AM	#9
somethingphishy Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Fleetwood, pa Posts: 852	Like I mentioned, they are releasing, if they haven't already in the last few days, a controller for them. Good to hear--where can i find more info on the product? __________________ "Set the gearshift for the high gear Of your soul, you've got to run like An antelope out of control!" Current Tank Info: 50g/20l sump

03/29/2006, 11:24 AM	#10
Greg129 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa Posts: 687	I plan on keeping soft corals in my 65 gallon. I have three Maxijet 1200's running on a wavemaker. __________________ 65 gallon Glass (36" x 18" x 24") -36" 2x96W Coralife Aqualight CF hood -Remora Pro Protein Skimmer -3x Maxijet 1200 Powerheads -2x False Perculas -1x Melanurus Wrasse -1x Coral Beauty Angelfish -1x Yellow Tang -1x Red Firefish -1x Purple Pin Cushion Urchin -1x Leather Coral

03/28/2006, 08:45 PM	#2
Anemonebuff Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: LI,NY Posts: 3,877	Closed loop with a strong pump and some Wavyseas for the "I do not want to see the pumps" crowd. Otherwise, Tunze Streams are awesome.

03/29/2006, 07:18 AM	#3
Razzagas Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 653	how do you make a closed loop? and what size tunze would work?

03/29/2006, 08:27 AM	#5
Anemonebuff Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: LI,NY Posts: 3,877	A tunze 6000 with single controller would be ample flow when coupled with your sump returns or a maxijet to create turbulance. The amount of flow will be determined by what you want to keep. High flow for SPS and medium flow for softies and LPS. I consider medium flow a turnover of 15 times the tank volume to 40 times the tank volume. High flow 40+ times tank volume. A closed loop is usually plumbed into a tank by drilling the back panel of the tank so that there is a drain to a pump. From there the return is spliced into the amount of diferent returns you want. Many people have hole drilled for the returns as well. A closed loop can also be done by hanging a pump from the back of the tank and having returns over the top. No drilling necessary, but you must not let the syphon break.

03/29/2006, 08:28 AM	#6
Anemonebuff Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: LI,NY Posts: 3,877	The only drawback to Seios is that they have a tendency to not restart after power outages.

03/29/2006, 08:46 AM	#7
afishyonados Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 459	And thier impeller shafts break on a wavemaker!

03/29/2006, 01:14 PM	#11
Avi Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Westchester County, NY Posts: 7,327	If you want to improve the flow coming from Maxijets....put Hydor flo deflectors on them. I find that it really does a lot of good. __________________ I'd keep the whole ocean if my den were big enough Current Tank Info: 120 gallon reef with 210 lbs. of live rock, Aqua-C EV180 Skimmer, Aquactinic double 250W MH with blue plus t5 support; 58 gallon freshwater planted tank using CO2 and T5s; 30-gallon cube with a few fancy goldfish; and a 110 gallon FOWLR

03/29/2006, 01:52 PM	#12
mg426 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: maryland Posts: 6,923	Closed loop systems get my vote. __________________ I found a way to make a small fortune running a reef tank. Start with a large fortune. Unofficial President of the SEACLONE haters club Current Tank Info: 125 mixed reef 110 lbs LR, 1x250watt XM 20K MH 2x175watt XM 20K MH on Magetics 2X96 watt actinic PC, 220 watt VHO actinic, 30 gallon refugium, closed loop system powered by Sequence Dart MSX 200 skimmer 38 gallon sump, Oceansmotions squirt