fish list ? (will it work?)

pnsnowboard · 08/02/2006, 12:37 AM

90 gallon tank

1x green mandrin
1 or 2x true percs
4x lyretail anthias
1x tomini tang
1x lepord wrasse
1x whip fin fairy wrasse
1x filamented flasher wrasse

i will be adding them all at the same time cus i will be ordering from liveaquaria

reefnetworth · 08/02/2006, 03:37 AM

mandarin will need yons of copepods
2 perks IMO
suggested 125g minimum (liveaquaria.com)
tang is kickin
3 wrasse in one tank? constant battle, fairy wrasse.
add all the same time is a bad idea.
my opinion is my own, dosent reflect RC or affiliates.
REEF-ON!!!

reefshadow · 08/02/2006, 03:39 AM

Your stock list sounds good, but I would be very hesitant about adding them all at the same time. How do you plan on dealing with the sudden bioload? Some of those fish are very delicate and very sensitive to params, and are highly dependant on a stable mature environment with good o2 saturation. The tomini is generally regarded as the most sensitive of the bristletooth family, leopard wrasses are notoriously delicate as well, i'm not sure about the fairies, but afaik, they are also sensitive and do not handle stress well. Ime, anthias are generally a bit more tolerant but do best in a mature stable system as well. If you could possibly add only a few at a time I would recommend that. After all, paying multiple shipping costs is going to be far cheaper than replacing the fish.

Personally I would add in groups

The mandarin-provided you have enough pods-, and the clowns

Then the anthias

Then the whipfin and filamented

Last the tomini and leopard

I think the wrasses are compatible with each other, maybe someone else can chime in here

Good luck

gallivanmk · 08/02/2006, 06:30 AM

I agree to add in groups, your bioload can't handle adding all those fish at one time. I am not sure I would add the mandarin since the wrasses will also deplete the pods. I would at least do that last once you know you have enough pods to support that particular fish. HTH

jakaufman · 08/02/2006, 06:57 AM

as said, its not a great idea to add them all at once

it sucks because thats the only way to save on shipping!

also, be careful with the mandarin and pod population or it will starve, and adding in groups as was recommended is a much better idea

RichConley · 08/02/2006, 09:11 AM

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Originally posted by nano4brains

3 wrasse in one tank? constant battle, fairy wrasse.

Dissagree. I had 5 wrasses in a smaller tank, and no problems.

None of the wrasses he has listed are the slightest bit aggressive.

As far as the mandarin, fairys/flashers are planktivores, and dont eat pods. Think of them as anthias. The leopard on the other hand WILL outcompete the mandarin, so unless you can keep a ton of pods, you need ot get them eating prepared food.

pnsnowboard · 08/02/2006, 11:39 AM

i already have the mandrin and the clowns the tank is 10 months old and the mandrin has been in there for 2 months it is as fat as it can be and it is eating cylopeze when i feed the tank

pnsnowboard · 08/02/2006, 01:09 PM

bump

slimytadpole · 08/02/2006, 01:16 PM

I'd be concerned about the wrasses burning through the mandarin's food supply. They will eat prepared foods, but the mandarin almost certainly won't. in a 90 gallon, you might have enough pods to support the mandarin, even with a single wrasse competing with it. Mabye. But not with 3 wrasses.

RichConley · 08/02/2006, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slimytadpole
I'd be concerned about the wrasses burning through the mandarin's food supply. They will eat prepared foods, but the mandarin almost certainly won't. in a 90 gallon, you might have enough pods to support the mandarin, even with a single wrasse competing with it. Mabye. But not with 3 wrasses.

Fairy wrasses dont eat any more pods than the clowns do, they have no place in the Pod discussion. Its the leopord you have to worry about.

pnsnowboard · 08/02/2006, 02:18 PM

i also have mass amounts of flatworms so the lepord wrasse would have lots to eat there because on melev's site it says lepord wrasses will eat them

slimytadpole · 08/02/2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by pnsnowboard
i also have mass amounts of flatworms so the lepord wrasse would have lots to eat there because on melev's site it says lepord wrasses will eat them

How long do you think that will be the case? It doesn't matter how many pod/flatworms/etc you have now. These fish have lifespans of years. The deciding factor is the sustainability of the food supply, which has little to do with the current population. I've had a single six-line wrasse strip a flatworm-infested 75G tank clean inside 6 weeks.

You also seem to be making the assumption that because other food is available (flatworms) that the wrasse will eat that, instead of eating the mandarin's food supply (pods). By that logic, you could dissuade the wrasse from eating pods by giving it more prepared foods, but I don't think you'll find anyone who thinks that will work.

pnsnowboard · 08/02/2006, 03:10 PM

well the time that the wrasse would take to eat the flatworms i would be able to teach it to eat perpared foods

and the mandrin is already eating perpared foods

08/02/2006, 12:37 AM	#1
pnsnowboard Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: aurora CO Posts: 867	fish list ? (will it work?) 90 gallon tank 1x green mandrin 1 or 2x true percs 4x lyretail anthias 1x tomini tang 1x lepord wrasse 1x whip fin fairy wrasse 1x filamented flasher wrasse i will be adding them all at the same time cus i will be ordering from liveaquaria

08/02/2006, 03:37 AM	#2
reefnetworth Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 3,810	mandarin will need yons of copepods 2 perks IMO suggested 125g minimum (liveaquaria.com) tang is kickin 3 wrasse in one tank? constant battle, fairy wrasse. add all the same time is a bad idea. my opinion is my own, dosent reflect RC or affiliates. REEF-ON!!! __________________ GIVE A MAN A FISH, YOU FEED HIM FOR A DAY. TEACH A MAN TO FISH, HE FEEDS HIMSELF FOR LIFE. (NEVER, underestimate another man's greed) Current Tank Info: SPS dominated barebottom display with BB sump since 2005, most consistant parameters in 19+ years of reefkeeping.

08/02/2006, 03:39 AM	#3
reefshadow Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Central Washington Posts: 1,786	Your stock list sounds good, but I would be very hesitant about adding them all at the same time. How do you plan on dealing with the sudden bioload? Some of those fish are very delicate and very sensitive to params, and are highly dependant on a stable mature environment with good o2 saturation. The tomini is generally regarded as the most sensitive of the bristletooth family, leopard wrasses are notoriously delicate as well, i'm not sure about the fairies, but afaik, they are also sensitive and do not handle stress well. Ime, anthias are generally a bit more tolerant but do best in a mature stable system as well. If you could possibly add only a few at a time I would recommend that. After all, paying multiple shipping costs is going to be far cheaper than replacing the fish. Personally I would add in groups The mandarin-provided you have enough pods-, and the clowns Then the anthias Then the whipfin and filamented Last the tomini and leopard I think the wrasses are compatible with each other, maybe someone else can chime in here Good luck __________________ All Your Coral Are Belong To Us Current Tank Info: 30 Deep Blue shallow mixed rimless, MP10, Ecoxotic LED's, SCA 301 skimmer.

08/02/2006, 06:57 AM	#5
jakaufman Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 288	as said, its not a great idea to add them all at once it sucks because thats the only way to save on shipping! also, be careful with the mandarin and pod population or it will starve, and adding in groups as was recommended is a much better idea __________________ 34g Mixed Reef

08/02/2006, 01:16 PM	#9
slimytadpole Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Utica, NY Posts: 723	I'd be concerned about the wrasses burning through the mandarin's food supply. They will eat prepared foods, but the mandarin almost certainly won't. in a 90 gallon, you might have enough pods to support the mandarin, even with a single wrasse competing with it. Mabye. But not with 3 wrasses. __________________ Thank you, but our princess is in another castle. Current Tank Info: 75G mixed reef.

08/02/2006, 06:30 AM	#4
gallivanmk Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 663	I agree to add in groups, your bioload can't handle adding all those fish at one time. I am not sure I would add the mandarin since the wrasses will also deplete the pods. I would at least do that last once you know you have enough pods to support that particular fish. HTH

08/02/2006, 11:39 AM	#7
pnsnowboard Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: aurora CO Posts: 867	i already have the mandrin and the clowns the tank is 10 months old and the mandrin has been in there for 2 months it is as fat as it can be and it is eating cylopeze when i feed the tank

08/02/2006, 01:09 PM	#8
pnsnowboard Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: aurora CO Posts: 867	bump

08/02/2006, 02:18 PM	#11
pnsnowboard Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: aurora CO Posts: 867	i also have mass amounts of flatworms so the lepord wrasse would have lots to eat there because on melev's site it says lepord wrasses will eat them

08/02/2006, 03:10 PM	#13
pnsnowboard Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: aurora CO Posts: 867	well the time that the wrasse would take to eat the flatworms i would be able to teach it to eat perpared foods and the mandrin is already eating perpared foods