Cloudy Water

nach_ · 08/03/2006, 09:33 PM

Well, I am a bit worried about this. It's been 40 hours from the mom when I added the Reef Crystal salt to my 80 g aquarium. The fact is that the water has turned a bit cloudy, not like milk but it's remarkable.

The salt was new, 8kg bag. The temperature of the RROO water was (and is) of 78-80ÂºF.

Any suggestion there?

Ohps the circulation in the tank is quite powerful (2 x tunze 6000 + aquabee 2001).

Thankyou very much!

Chad Vossen · 08/03/2006, 09:37 PM

what kind of sand? could be dust from the sand thats in the water. if you have a micro filter, such as a magnum, use it to clear up the water quicker or just let it all settle.

nach_ · 08/03/2006, 09:43 PM

No sand, just BB. Just filled the aquarium with RROO water and then added the salt. I think there is nothing to filter as the only thing I added to the water was Reef Crystals salt, and it should dissolve enterly!

Please help me out!

affan · 08/03/2006, 09:48 PM

You didn't add the salt directly into the tank, did you? You pre-mixed it in a seperate container, right? Sorry for asking such a stupid question but it sounded to me as if you just dumped the salt directly into the tank.

techrach · 08/03/2006, 09:48 PM

I use reef crystals ans it disolves in minuets. what is your sg? how much did you add?

nach_ · 08/03/2006, 09:49 PM

I added it directly to the tank. I was said that there was no problem on adding it directly!

nach_ · 08/03/2006, 09:50 PM

In fact in my country lot of ppl add the salt directly without getting that problems!

nach_ · 08/03/2006, 09:52 PM

techrach I added 35 g per liter. That means that my SG is about 1025.

The salt is disolved but the water its not clear. I've been suggested to add half liter of carbonic water (it seems that it may solve the problem).

I've read of people who have waited something like a week until the cloudy aspect of the water disappears.

affan · 08/03/2006, 09:52 PM

The packaging said it was no problem adding directly? I could be mistaken here but that's a no no. The salt will eventually dissolve and settle, but let's just hope that you do not have any livestock in the tank just yet. For future reference, please pre mix water in a seperate container, preferrably using a powerhead, aerating the crap out of it before adding to the tank.

nach_ · 08/03/2006, 09:54 PM

Ok affan. But now the tank is as it is. What do you suggest me to do? Maybe heat the water to 90ÂºF?

What do you think about the carbonic water trick?

affan · 08/03/2006, 09:56 PM

Well, with that kind of circulation (Tunze) I doubt anything will settle fairly quickly.

nach_ · 08/03/2006, 09:57 PM

Then I will wait 10 hours more, if it doesnt get better I will try the carbonic water trick. No more suggestions there?

Reading in other forums I've seen that some packages of salt come with a "bad formula" and make water look milky. I hope it's not the case, it only cloudy but if you insist it may be a little milky

!

nickterp · 08/03/2006, 10:00 PM

My first batch of saltwater took a few days to clear up when I first added it, was a little discouraging, but then suddenly it cleared up crystal clear, just wait a little longer!

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I think affan may be confused about how/why you are adding this saltwater. As in its not a working system yet. Since your setting your tank up for the first time... if there's nothing at all in the tank except for the water, I think its perfectly fine to mix it in the tank. May be kind of a pain if you have to remove some water and add in plain freshwater, but basically the same as a large bucket.

Of course in the future for water changes once your tank is set up and you have livestock, you should always premix in a bucket. Good luck!

nach_ · 08/03/2006, 10:02 PM

Yes off course I am setting up the tank for the first time. Sorry if I wasn't clear, my english is not that good hehheh.

affan · 08/03/2006, 10:04 PM

Yeah, sorry about that. I thought you were doing a water change

nach_ · 08/03/2006, 10:11 PM

Then I shouldn't worry about the cloudy aspect of the water?

scarter · 08/03/2006, 10:17 PM

no

jdieck · 08/03/2006, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nach_
Then I will wait 10 hours more, if it doesnt get better I will try the carbonic water trick. No more suggestions there?

Reading in other forums I've seen that some packages of salt come with a "bad formula" and make water look milky. I hope it's not the case, it only cloudy but if you insist it may be a little milky !

Is there a way you can test for your Salinity, Alkalinity and Calcium?

There is only two potnetial explanations.
a) Either the salt is defective and came with too much alkalinity
b) Somehow you may have ended up with a higher salinity than needed.

Saludos
Gaudi

nach_ · 08/04/2006, 08:27 AM

The salinity is 1025, i think that's ok (measured with a refract).

About the alkalinity, I will measure it later.

nach_ · 08/04/2006, 08:34 AM

Just measured the alkalinity now. About 10 dKH (so it seems to be ok).

jdieck · 08/04/2006, 08:49 AM

Seems everything OK, Do you have Live Rock in the tank yet?
If so it could be some bacterial bloom as part of the cycle, in any case do not worry about just sit on it and wait for a week or so. Track your Ammonia and Nitrites to follow up on the cycle.

nach_ · 08/04/2006, 08:51 AM

There is no rock, ONLY salted water. I will wait a few days. Btw, does anyone know something about the "trick" of adding carbonic water, it's said that it makes the cloudy water turn clear. Is something related to Co2, I think!

jdieck · 08/04/2006, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nach_
There is no rock, ONLY salted water. I will wait a few days. Btw, does anyone know something about the "trick" of adding carbonic water, it's said that it makes the cloudy water turn clear. Is something related to Co2, I think!

If the cloudiness is caused by precipitation of Calcium and Alkalinity into particles of Calcium Carbonate and not a bacterial bloom, the CO2 in the carbonic water forms Carbonic Acid which dissolves the Calcium Carbonate praticles. For this to happen the PH shall drop below 7.7 which is a side effect of adding the carbonic water. The other effect is that it can trow your Calcium vs Alkalinity off balance.
I would not add any carbonic water as you may create more problems than solutions with your water chemistry.
Usually carbonic water is added to try to stop an in process precipitation created by very high concentrations of Calcium and Alkalinity combined with high PH usually created by the fast or excessive addition of Kalkwasser.
As this is not your case and everything seems normal and becasue you have nothing that can be hurt it is not needed at all.

by the way, when you mentioned you used RROO water are you referring to Reverse Osmosis purified water?

nach_ · 08/04/2006, 10:34 AM

Perfect explanation jdieck, thankyou!

Yes with RROO I refer to Reverse Osmosis purified water. It seems that slowly the water is becoming clearly.

jdieck · 08/04/2006, 11:39 AM

:thumbs up:

Buena Suerte!

08/03/2006, 09:33 PM	#1
nach_ Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Barcelona Posts: 46	Cloudy Water Well, I am a bit worried about this. It's been 40 hours from the mom when I added the Reef Crystal salt to my 80 g aquarium. The fact is that the water has turned a bit cloudy, not like milk but it's remarkable. The salt was new, 8kg bag. The temperature of the RROO water was (and is) of 78-80ÂºF. Any suggestion there? Ohps the circulation in the tank is quite powerful (2 x tunze 6000 + aquabee 2001). Thankyou very much!

08/03/2006, 09:48 PM	#5
techrach Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Smyrna,Tennessee Posts: 138	I use reef crystals ans it disolves in minuets. what is your sg? how much did you add? __________________ 75 gal,coralife 2 X 250Watt Metal hylaid 95W X4 50/50, 2" Aragonite crushed coral, Red Sea Skimmer, 3 Maxi Jet 1200's running with upgrade kits And about 75 lbs of live rock. Current Tank Info: 75 gal

08/03/2006, 10:17 PM	#17
scarter Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Baltimore Posts: 605	no __________________ My name is Shane and I am a reefaholic, I have a disease and they don't know what to call it. Current Tank Info: what tank?

08/04/2006, 08:49 AM	#21
jdieck Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maumee, OH Posts: 15,673	Seems everything OK, Do you have Live Rock in the tank yet? If so it could be some bacterial bloom as part of the cycle, in any case do not worry about just sit on it and wait for a week or so. Track your Ammonia and Nitrites to follow up on the cycle. __________________ Did I write what I wrote? What the heck am I talking about! Well..... Nevermind. Current Tank Info: 225 gal reef, DSB, 40 g sump w/ LRT100 return, 37 g pre-sump, 3 MH 250 W 15K, 4 96 W PC dual actinic,ETS 1500 Skim.w/LRT70, 20 lb Ca R., 40 W UV, 1/3 HP chiller, two 350 W Htrs, Neptune II Cont., 330 P LR/ 330 P LS. 55 gal Refugium

08/04/2006, 11:39 AM	#25
jdieck Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maumee, OH Posts: 15,673	:thumbs up: Buena Suerte! __________________ Did I write what I wrote? What the heck am I talking about! Well..... Nevermind. Current Tank Info: 225 gal reef, DSB, 40 g sump w/ LRT100 return, 37 g pre-sump, 3 MH 250 W 15K, 4 96 W PC dual actinic,ETS 1500 Skim.w/LRT70, 20 lb Ca R., 40 W UV, 1/3 HP chiller, two 350 W Htrs, Neptune II Cont., 330 P LR/ 330 P LS. 55 gal Refugium

08/03/2006, 09:37 PM	#2
Chad Vossen Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: St. Cloud, Minnesota Posts: 1,313	what kind of sand? could be dust from the sand thats in the water. if you have a micro filter, such as a magnum, use it to clear up the water quicker or just let it all settle.

08/03/2006, 09:43 PM	#3
nach_ Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Barcelona Posts: 46	No sand, just BB. Just filled the aquarium with RROO water and then added the salt. I think there is nothing to filter as the only thing I added to the water was Reef Crystals salt, and it should dissolve enterly! Please help me out!

08/03/2006, 09:48 PM	#4
affan Moved On Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: From NYC, currently serving time in Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 1,125	You didn't add the salt directly into the tank, did you? You pre-mixed it in a seperate container, right? Sorry for asking such a stupid question but it sounded to me as if you just dumped the salt directly into the tank.

08/03/2006, 09:49 PM	#6
nach_ Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Barcelona Posts: 46	I added it directly to the tank. I was said that there was no problem on adding it directly!

08/03/2006, 09:50 PM	#7
nach_ Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Barcelona Posts: 46	In fact in my country lot of ppl add the salt directly without getting that problems!

08/03/2006, 09:52 PM	#8
nach_ Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Barcelona Posts: 46	techrach I added 35 g per liter. That means that my SG is about 1025. The salt is disolved but the water its not clear. I've been suggested to add half liter of carbonic water (it seems that it may solve the problem). I've read of people who have waited something like a week until the cloudy aspect of the water disappears.

08/03/2006, 09:54 PM	#10
nach_ Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Barcelona Posts: 46	Ok affan. But now the tank is as it is. What do you suggest me to do? Maybe heat the water to 90ÂºF? What do you think about the carbonic water trick?

08/03/2006, 09:56 PM	#11
affan Moved On Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: From NYC, currently serving time in Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 1,125	Well, with that kind of circulation (Tunze) I doubt anything will settle fairly quickly.

08/03/2006, 09:57 PM	#12
nach_ Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Barcelona Posts: 46	Then I will wait 10 hours more, if it doesnt get better I will try the carbonic water trick. No more suggestions there? Reading in other forums I've seen that some packages of salt come with a "bad formula" and make water look milky. I hope it's not the case, it only cloudy but if you insist it may be a little milky !

08/03/2006, 10:00 PM	#13
nickterp Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 263	My first batch of saltwater took a few days to clear up when I first added it, was a little discouraging, but then suddenly it cleared up crystal clear, just wait a little longer! . I think affan may be confused about how/why you are adding this saltwater. As in its not a working system yet. Since your setting your tank up for the first time... if there's nothing at all in the tank except for the water, I think its perfectly fine to mix it in the tank. May be kind of a pain if you have to remove some water and add in plain freshwater, but basically the same as a large bucket. Of course in the future for water changes once your tank is set up and you have livestock, you should always premix in a bucket. Good luck!

08/03/2006, 10:02 PM	#14
nach_ Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Barcelona Posts: 46	Yes off course I am setting up the tank for the first time. Sorry if I wasn't clear, my english is not that good hehheh.

08/03/2006, 10:04 PM	#15
affan Moved On Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: From NYC, currently serving time in Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 1,125	Yeah, sorry about that. I thought you were doing a water change

08/03/2006, 10:11 PM	#16
nach_ Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Barcelona Posts: 46	Then I shouldn't worry about the cloudy aspect of the water?

08/04/2006, 08:27 AM	#19
nach_ Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Barcelona Posts: 46	The salinity is 1025, i think that's ok (measured with a refract). About the alkalinity, I will measure it later.

08/04/2006, 08:34 AM	#20
nach_ Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Barcelona Posts: 46	Just measured the alkalinity now. About 10 dKH (so it seems to be ok).

08/04/2006, 08:51 AM	#22
nach_ Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Barcelona Posts: 46	There is no rock, ONLY salted water. I will wait a few days. Btw, does anyone know something about the "trick" of adding carbonic water, it's said that it makes the cloudy water turn clear. Is something related to Co2, I think!

08/04/2006, 10:34 AM	#24
nach_ Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Barcelona Posts: 46	Perfect explanation jdieck, thankyou! Yes with RROO I refer to Reverse Osmosis purified water. It seems that slowly the water is becoming clearly.