Moving a sump

abigdog1976 · 08/04/2006, 09:49 AM

We are moving our sump outside into the garage. Is it better to use hard or flex tubing when plumbing the tank?

pwhitby · 08/04/2006, 09:52 AM

both. Hard where you can from tank and from sump and flex between.

VCoo71 · 08/04/2006, 01:06 PM

flex tubing is nice as you dont lose any flow with 45 or 90 fittings(or worry about your glue joints)

but it is a lot more expensive then pvc....especially the bigger diameter

charlie

captbunzo · 08/04/2006, 02:53 PM

And, actually, flex can be a PITA to work with. It is helpful to have some pieces of it here and there to dampen vibration. But my use will be pretty minimal.

It is also more likely to leak - EVEN IF you have used the fancy flexible pvc glue.

jjmcat · 08/04/2006, 04:05 PM

And flex tubing breaks easier as I have found out.

Russ Braaten · 08/04/2006, 04:59 PM

If you use rigid PVC make sure it is the thicker schedule 40

djc1026 · 08/04/2006, 05:27 PM

I was going to use spa flex to plumb my sump but when I got it behind the tank and down into stand from behind, it was too rigid to connect up to stuff in a tight space. So I switched to the braided vinyl pvc which was more flexible for my application.

Dave

captbunzo · 08/04/2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by Russ Braaten
If you use rigid PVC make sure it is the thicker schedule 40

Why would you need to use the thicker schedule 40 pipe? The pressures we are running through them are way within the rating of the regular stuff. You can even use the thin wall stuff, if you can find it.

_Sooner_2 · 08/06/2006, 11:13 PM

We bought flexible tubing from a koi pond supplier. I like it much better than any of the flex tubing from HD or Lowes. The only drawback is that it is hard to push over your hose barbs. Solved the problem by heating the hose with a hair dryer. We used common plastic hose clamps from Ace to control leaks.

Ronnie

Russ Braaten · 08/07/2006, 01:53 AM

Paul, The schedule 40 is a lot tougher. Light causes PVC pipe to get brittle. The thinner pipe will crack a LOT easier than the #40. It has nothing to do with the pressures. With the pump vibration and lighting we use you are a lot safer and the cost is literally the difference of less than a buck for the entire job. The joints are not as as strong either.

We talk about redundancy all the time. This just makes sense. Put together some pipe pieces with a few elbos with the 40 and the 10 or is it 20? I forget. You will feel a huge difference.

captbunzo · 08/07/2006, 07:04 AM

Is schedule 40 regular PVC or the "extra thick" variety you can get?

MyMonkey · 08/07/2006, 03:12 PM

Where can you find the braided vinyl pvc around OKC?

VCoo71 · 08/07/2006, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by MyMonkey
Where can you find the braided vinyl pvc around OKC?

any homedepot,lowes or ace hardware should have it....i alsways get it at ace just because it is the closest to me

charlie

captbunzo · 08/07/2006, 03:21 PM

By braided vinyl pvc, are we really just talking about braided vinyl? I have never heard anything that was a braided VINYL and PVC...

djc1026 · 08/07/2006, 05:09 PM

It's vinyl to me, but it says right on the tubing "PVC Braided 1" ID." I got it at Lowes and they had up to 1.5" ID, they also had multiple sizes of the spa flex.

Dave

08/04/2006, 09:49 AM	#1
abigdog1976 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 618	Moving a sump We are moving our sump outside into the garage. Is it better to use hard or flex tubing when plumbing the tank? __________________ Thanks, Max Current Tank Info: 175G Reef

08/04/2006, 09:52 AM	#2
pwhitby Team RC Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 9,137	both. Hard where you can from tank and from sump and flex between. __________________ Paul W Whitby Ph.D

08/04/2006, 04:05 PM	#5
jjmcat Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tulsa Posts: 4,249	And flex tubing breaks easier as I have found out. __________________ Oklahoma Marine and Aquarium Society Support your LFS and your local club. Jarrod Lee Current Tank Info: 110 reef with a 55 gallon sump,3 metal halides

08/04/2006, 05:27 PM	#7
djc1026 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lawton Posts: 1,061	I was going to use spa flex to plumb my sump but when I got it behind the tank and down into stand from behind, it was too rigid to connect up to stuff in a tight space. So I switched to the braided vinyl pvc which was more flexible for my application. Dave __________________ Dave Current Tank Info: 150 gallon FOWLR -- 29 Gal Misc

08/07/2006, 07:04 AM	#11
captbunzo Premium Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Ascot, Berkshire, England Posts: 3,950	Is schedule 40 regular PVC or the "extra thick" variety you can get? __________________ Paul Thompson South Ascot, Berkshire, England RK: Where only bad things happen fast... CRAZY 4 the CRASE - Sometime 2008 Current Tank Info: 180 litre UK Reef

08/04/2006, 01:06 PM	#3
VCoo71 Moved On Join Date: May 2002 Location: norman oklahoma Posts: 1,563	flex tubing is nice as you dont lose any flow with 45 or 90 fittings(or worry about your glue joints) but it is a lot more expensive then pvc....especially the bigger diameter charlie

08/04/2006, 02:53 PM	#4
captbunzo Premium Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Ascot, Berkshire, England Posts: 3,950	And, actually, flex can be a PITA to work with. It is helpful to have some pieces of it here and there to dampen vibration. But my use will be pretty minimal. It is also more likely to leak - EVEN IF you have used the fancy flexible pvc glue. __________________ Paul Thompson South Ascot, Berkshire, England RK: Where only bad things happen fast... CRAZY 4 the CRASE - Sometime 2008 Current Tank Info: 180 litre UK Reef

08/04/2006, 04:59 PM	#6
Russ Braaten Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: OKC Posts: 1,127	If you use rigid PVC make sure it is the thicker schedule 40

08/06/2006, 11:13 PM	#9
_Sooner_2 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Blanchard, OK Posts: 474	We bought flexible tubing from a koi pond supplier. I like it much better than any of the flex tubing from HD or Lowes. The only drawback is that it is hard to push over your hose barbs. Solved the problem by heating the hose with a hair dryer. We used common plastic hose clamps from Ace to control leaks. Ronnie

08/07/2006, 01:53 AM	#10
Russ Braaten Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: OKC Posts: 1,127	Paul, The schedule 40 is a lot tougher. Light causes PVC pipe to get brittle. The thinner pipe will crack a LOT easier than the #40. It has nothing to do with the pressures. With the pump vibration and lighting we use you are a lot safer and the cost is literally the difference of less than a buck for the entire job. The joints are not as as strong either. We talk about redundancy all the time. This just makes sense. Put together some pipe pieces with a few elbos with the 40 and the 10 or is it 20? I forget. You will feel a huge difference.

08/07/2006, 03:12 PM	#12
MyMonkey Persona Non Grata Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 2,106	Where can you find the braided vinyl pvc around OKC? __________________ The worst thing about an unwritten law is that you don't know where to go to erase it. Current Tank Info: 20 Long.10 months to my 240 In wall with Fish Room.

08/07/2006, 03:21 PM	#14
captbunzo Premium Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Ascot, Berkshire, England Posts: 3,950	By braided vinyl pvc, are we really just talking about braided vinyl? I have never heard anything that was a braided VINYL and PVC... __________________ Paul Thompson South Ascot, Berkshire, England RK: Where only bad things happen fast... CRAZY 4 the CRASE - Sometime 2008 Current Tank Info: 180 litre UK Reef

08/07/2006, 05:09 PM	#15
djc1026 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lawton Posts: 1,061	It's vinyl to me, but it says right on the tubing "PVC Braided 1" ID." I got it at Lowes and they had up to 1.5" ID, they also had multiple sizes of the spa flex. Dave __________________ Dave Current Tank Info: 150 gallon FOWLR -- 29 Gal Misc