Help!!!!!

nfoster187 · 11/30/2006, 09:46 AM

Woke up this morning and my cowfish has little white pimple like spots all over him. What do i need to do?!?!?

Thanks

Nick

psuedopimp · 11/30/2006, 09:49 AM

is it ich?

nfoster187 · 11/30/2006, 09:56 AM

Yes i believe that it may be ich, unfortunatly i do not have a QT set up yet

Sk8r · 11/30/2006, 09:59 AM

That's ich. Set up a qt. Swipe a sponge through the dirty bottom of your sump and use it for your qt filter, or go down to the lfs, tell them your problem, and ask them to dirty up a sponge for you. The fish risks more from the ich than from newish water. Pimple does describe what you're seeing. Those swellings contain reproduced ich larvae, and they have also infested your tank's sand. Leave your tank fishless for 8 weeks to get rid of it.

Swanwillow · 11/30/2006, 10:33 AM

or, set up a ten gallon with new-ish salt water, plastic plants, substrate (nothing fancy)
and be ready to change 30-70% of the water until some sort of bacteria comes into the tank

nfoster187 · 11/30/2006, 11:36 AM

what kind of filter do i need to have on a qt, i have a penguig hob that i used for a 25 that i have laying around. How should i set it up for saltwater??

Also i went to the LFS and they told me to get neon goby's because they will eat the paraisite off the fish. I have to run to work now so i will not be able to do more until tomorrow.

Nick

No Worries1979 · 11/30/2006, 12:20 PM

I use a hang-on-the-back filter with a sponge for my QT. I also have some small live rock and no sand substrate.

imtheonlylp · 11/30/2006, 12:33 PM

the filtration depends on what kind of medication you are going to use...if youre going to use copper then you dont want to use a filter at first b/c it will just nullify the results....but do this: setup a QT as quickly as possible! i took my time and didnt get one setup quick enough and my Regal Tang gave up the ghost due to ich...ive also read in several places that you dont want any other things in the tank (no substrate, plants, etc.)....a QT is supposed to be just that - quarantine - of course this point has been argued many times...but it makes sense though...i took a large single-color (dark) cup and placed it inside the QT for the fishes to hide/sleep in...HTH, good luck!

Swanwillow · 11/30/2006, 01:33 PM

the reason I said plastic-it can be sterilized after using bleach, boiling water, or the like.
no LR: copper would just kill it, and if there was something really nasty, it could live in the rock for 6+ months with some worm type intestinal parasites

Uncle Salty 05 · 11/30/2006, 03:09 PM

You should probably give him a freshwater bath before putting him in the QT tank.
This will kill the existing parasites and the copper will take care of their eggs.
Make sure the PH of the freshwater is close to that of your tank and the QT tank.

No Worries1979 · 11/30/2006, 04:03 PM

Uncle Salty's right. Use distilled water if you can. Even marine biologists do this.

nfoster187 · 12/02/2006, 10:50 PM

Okay so currently here is what i have going on. I have got a 10 gallon QT set up, all levels are good, 200GPH powerhead, bio wheel HOB with all filter media and bio wheel removed. I did a freesh water dip as per uncle salties recomnedation. Now where do i go from here, do i need to add anything to the HOB? How often should i change the water? Please help me out.

Nick

No Worries1979 · 12/04/2006, 01:17 PM

The biowheel could have been left in the filter. It will eventually grow bacteria which will help your levels a bit and when your QT is not in use you can put your wheel in the sump to keep the bac. alive. Also you might not even need your powerhead in a 10gal. 200gph seems like alot to me in that small of a tank.

Your on the right track with the dip. I don't even dip my fish, I just carefully hold them in hand over my bucket and pour distilled water over them.

All you need to do now is wait and keep an eye on your levels. I am personally against chemicals. Your fish's immune system should get rid of the ick in about 1-2 weeks. You may have another outbreak when it is returned to your display if ick is in there. I did but I havent seen ick in about 14 months, if it is in there, it sure isn't doing very well.

Be sure not to overfeed, especially in a 10gal. Your nitrites and nitrates might spike. Hope this helps and good luck!!!

1010 · 12/10/2006, 03:06 PM

when he puts the water in the QT tank can he use the water from the main tank. I worry about using new saltwater.

11/30/2006, 09:46 AM	#1
nfoster187 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chandler, Az Posts: 192	Help!!!!! Woke up this morning and my cowfish has little white pimple like spots all over him. What do i need to do?!?!? Thanks Nick

11/30/2006, 09:49 AM	#2
psuedopimp Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 908	is it ich? __________________ Any one can hold the helm when the sea is calm. Publilius Syrus

11/30/2006, 09:59 AM	#4
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	That's ich. Set up a qt. Swipe a sponge through the dirty bottom of your sump and use it for your qt filter, or go down to the lfs, tell them your problem, and ask them to dirty up a sponge for you. The fish risks more from the ich than from newish water. Pimple does describe what you're seeing. Those swellings contain reproduced ich larvae, and they have also infested your tank's sand. Leave your tank fishless for 8 weeks to get rid of it. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

11/30/2006, 10:33 AM	#5
Swanwillow goby girl Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bemidji MN Posts: 2,025	or, set up a ten gallon with new-ish salt water, plastic plants, substrate (nothing fancy) and be ready to change 30-70% of the water until some sort of bacteria comes into the tank __________________ my advice:walk away. do nothing. til tomorrow. if its still alive, it will hopefully be fine. If you do not see it, do not try to find it. it may be hiding. just LEAVE it alone Current Tank Info: starting over! 125 gallon. Soon to be home to Blackfoot clowns, A. nigripes

11/30/2006, 12:20 PM	#7
No Worries1979 Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 281	I use a hang-on-the-back filter with a sponge for my QT. I also have some small live rock and no sand substrate. __________________ "You don't know unless you go" Current Tank Info: 90 gal reef, 50 gal reef

11/30/2006, 09:56 AM	#3
nfoster187 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chandler, Az Posts: 192	Yes i believe that it may be ich, unfortunatly i do not have a QT set up yet

11/30/2006, 11:36 AM	#6
nfoster187 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chandler, Az Posts: 192	what kind of filter do i need to have on a qt, i have a penguig hob that i used for a 25 that i have laying around. How should i set it up for saltwater?? Also i went to the LFS and they told me to get neon goby's because they will eat the paraisite off the fish. I have to run to work now so i will not be able to do more until tomorrow. Nick

11/30/2006, 12:33 PM	#8
imtheonlylp Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbus, Ga Posts: 465	the filtration depends on what kind of medication you are going to use...if youre going to use copper then you dont want to use a filter at first b/c it will just nullify the results....but do this: setup a QT as quickly as possible! i took my time and didnt get one setup quick enough and my Regal Tang gave up the ghost due to ich...ive also read in several places that you dont want any other things in the tank (no substrate, plants, etc.)....a QT is supposed to be just that - quarantine - of course this point has been argued many times...but it makes sense though...i took a large single-color (dark) cup and placed it inside the QT for the fishes to hide/sleep in...HTH, good luck! __________________ "Tomorrow is the only day that appeals to a lazy man" - Jimmy Lyons Current Tank Info: 75g glass, 20g sump/refugium, QueenTS200, CA2300 return pump, (2) AquaClear4000 powerheads

11/30/2006, 01:33 PM	#9
Swanwillow goby girl Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bemidji MN Posts: 2,025	the reason I said plastic-it can be sterilized after using bleach, boiling water, or the like. no LR: copper would just kill it, and if there was something really nasty, it could live in the rock for 6+ months with some worm type intestinal parasites __________________ my advice:walk away. do nothing. til tomorrow. if its still alive, it will hopefully be fine. If you do not see it, do not try to find it. it may be hiding. just LEAVE it alone Current Tank Info: starting over! 125 gallon. Soon to be home to Blackfoot clowns, A. nigripes

11/30/2006, 03:09 PM	#10
Uncle Salty 05 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,799	You should probably give him a freshwater bath before putting him in the QT tank. This will kill the existing parasites and the copper will take care of their eggs. Make sure the PH of the freshwater is close to that of your tank and the QT tank. __________________ In all that I endure, of one thing I am sure. Knowledge and reason, change like the season. A jester's promenade. - Kerry Livgren Current Tank Info: 180 gal reef tank with dual attached refugiums 20 long and 10 gallon. Plus 55 gallon True Percula breeding tank.

11/30/2006, 04:03 PM	#11
No Worries1979 Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 281	Uncle Salty's right. Use distilled water if you can. Even marine biologists do this. __________________ "You don't know unless you go" Current Tank Info: 90 gal reef, 50 gal reef

12/02/2006, 10:50 PM	#12
nfoster187 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chandler, Az Posts: 192	Okay so currently here is what i have going on. I have got a 10 gallon QT set up, all levels are good, 200GPH powerhead, bio wheel HOB with all filter media and bio wheel removed. I did a freesh water dip as per uncle salties recomnedation. Now where do i go from here, do i need to add anything to the HOB? How often should i change the water? Please help me out. Nick

12/04/2006, 01:17 PM	#13
No Worries1979 Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 281	The biowheel could have been left in the filter. It will eventually grow bacteria which will help your levels a bit and when your QT is not in use you can put your wheel in the sump to keep the bac. alive. Also you might not even need your powerhead in a 10gal. 200gph seems like alot to me in that small of a tank. Your on the right track with the dip. I don't even dip my fish, I just carefully hold them in hand over my bucket and pour distilled water over them. All you need to do now is wait and keep an eye on your levels. I am personally against chemicals. Your fish's immune system should get rid of the ick in about 1-2 weeks. You may have another outbreak when it is returned to your display if ick is in there. I did but I havent seen ick in about 14 months, if it is in there, it sure isn't doing very well. Be sure not to overfeed, especially in a 10gal. Your nitrites and nitrates might spike. Hope this helps and good luck!!! __________________ "You don't know unless you go" Current Tank Info: 90 gal reef, 50 gal reef

12/10/2006, 03:06 PM	#14
1010 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Elgin Posts: 100	when he puts the water in the QT tank can he use the water from the main tank. I worry about using new saltwater.